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good for you, but this is not about how we feel, but about making peace. The palestine issue won't be solved this time like it was not solved in decades of war. you will just have thousands more new terrorists now, who watched family members die while trying to follow orders that israel had given them to protect them. This is a complex issue and not one for taking sides.
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These types of responses always skip over the most crucial parts of history: The IDF originally funneled money to the founder of Hamas in order to weaken popular support for Fatah, and Netanyahu facilitated Qatari payments to Hamas when it seemed that support for the Palestinian Authority was rising. His far right defense minister publicly resigned, saying that Netanyahu was financing terrorism against Israel. Includ…
The vast majority of Palestinians and Israelis are both being abused by their respective leaderships, which--for many years now--have desired and actively promoted some degree of violent-threat and indefinite strife, because it's how they maintain power and crush political rivals.
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P.S.: For fellow Americans thinking "that can't happen here", there's good evidence that Richard Nixon tried to sabotage--or at least delay--US/Vietnam peace talks in order to get himself elected President. [0] In either case, the war continued for another five years.
[0] https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/notes-indicate-nix...
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It depends on "Israeli what". Anti Israeli government: It's not antisemitic. Anti Israeli people: It's antisemitic.
It’s more complicated than that. Criticizing Israeli settlements in the West Bank is not antisemitic. But suggesting that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state is antisemitic as it implies ethnic cleansing. Both are arguably criticisms of the Israeli government.
You've got it backwards. The only way for Israel to exist as an ethnostate is through an ethnic cleansing. That's not specific to Israel; that's inherent to the concept of an ethnostate.
The assumption that Israel can only exist as an ethnostate is itself a political assertion - it's the hallmark of right-wing Zionism.
I think the behavior of the EU is more problematic TBH. Ursula VdL went heavily pro-israel the first day kind of giving carte blanche to israel for the following days This situation is not a good look for western response in general. The world is watching. Reminder that Srebrenica was 8000 deaths, but 17100 palestinians are justified losses.
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I quite agree that the Hamas attacks on civilians that took place on October 7 were an atrocity and should be treated as a war crime. But 'worse than the Nazis' hyperbole doesn't help you make that argument. Massacres of civilians are unfortunately ordinary in wars and by no means unique to a particular region or culture.
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> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. > If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views. That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other. N…
And where do you think that comes from? Some coherent well researched culturally deep understanding of history and the current status of things by the entire population? Of course not, it’s propaganda. There are ethnic conflicts worldwide that often have more bloodshed, many occurring simultaneously right now, but this gets all the rhetoric and attention.
For sure it’s a tragedy.
Reddit, at least, seems to be (rightfully or not) dominated by a strongly anti-Israel narrative.
Even the "great" BBC is not willing to call a spade a spade.
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I don't think that parent is suggesting that platforms are actively prioritising one over the other. I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances, and the fact that the apps are not available in some markets. As a result, certain views are prioritised as a byproduct of the fact that all modern social media apps have an algorithm th…
> I think they are saying that the composition of users of these apps skews one way rather than the other due to pre existing stances I think the notion that the vast chunk of Twitter or TikTok had a pre existing stance on Israel/Palestine before Oct 7 is kind of silly, imo? Before this I could scroll Twitter without seeing anything about Israel or Palestine for... idk. Weeks, months at a time. I'll maybe see one thi…
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That is your interpretation. Doesn’t mean it is true. Jewish organizations have joined the large pro-Palestinian marches in Toronto for example. It was a protest against the war and occupation, not about the religion. It’s like saying that Israel marches are islamophobic. Saying it doesn’t make it true. And yes, sometimes it does happen that there are antisemitic people that join those groups. But if they aren’t the…
Also, be careful what is meant by "occupation". You'll find that for some people it means that Israel is occupying and should be destroyed, as I mentioned previously.
@dang: I apologise, I tried to constructively contribute and, if you do read my comments carefully, not to take side too much or to be inflammatory.
I note that you allowed the thread to remain, which I have interpreted as we being allowed to comment...
"That’s where the efforts of J-Ventures’ hasbara WhatsApp group come in. The group, which also includes attorneys and individuals affiliated with the influential American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), has tirelessly worked to fire employees and punish activists for expressing pro-Palestinian views." Is that even legal under US law? Apparently it is in some states. Federal law does not, apparently, prohibit…
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It depends on "Israeli what". Anti Israeli government: It's not antisemitic. Anti Israeli people: It's antisemitic.
It’s more complicated than that. Criticizing Israeli settlements in the West Bank is not antisemitic. But suggesting that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state is antisemitic as it implies ethnic cleansing. Both are arguably criticisms of the Israeli government.