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Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by ahoka »

assusdan wrote: post #101
the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no chance of Putin being overthrown. The population loves the guy.

That is not quite true. The majority of population is afraid/unable/not want to be vocal about their opinion in public. Source: https://russianfield.com/180days (see aborted calls rate, and it is not the lowest i've ever seen) Anecdotal evidence: I live in Russia and I know only a couple of people who supports P. Both pro-war and anti-war people do not.

But you probably live in a big city and mostly have contact with people with similar socioeconomic status as you.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by byyll »

oxfordmale wrote: post #23
jon-wood wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whatever legal change happened says they can’t do business with Russians. I doubt there’s a get out clause saying “unless you got a year up front out of them” in that law.

OFAC(Office of Foreign Assets Control) sanctions are clear-cut and they can issue very large fines for non-compliance. These sanctions have been in place for a while now. It sounds like someone flagged this to their legal department, who then advised to go nuclear, given the threat of large fines.

OFAC seems like a US thing, correct me if I am wrong.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by jamal-kumar »

binarray2000 wrote: post #44
jamal-kumar wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they should stop brutalizing their nearest neighbors with guns and their global neighbors with hacks as if this is normal behaviour idk Not on us that they've let their reputation slide so far

> brutalizing their nearest neighbors Following your logic: US and its NATO minions are brutalizing countries nowhere near them (Syria, Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya - to name a few from the last 30 years), it had (still has?) prisons where Muslims were tortured and the world should have sanctioned it and its businesses and citizens with the harshest sanctions for that. Tell me more about reputation slide.

I don't really care about the USA in the original context I'm talking about, they're down their own shit creek. Don't live in either country. All I know is that the side you seem to be cheering for hit my own's hospitals out of spite.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by jsnell »

gizmo wrote: post #38

Does any company fire their American customers because of the calamitous Iraq war and related war crimes? Do companies fire their Israeli customers because of the current bombing campaign? What about Argentinian customers? Melei has contempt for European style democracy. Should Chinese customers get the boot because of the horrific treatment of Uyghurs by the Chinese Party? Should Hetzner also fire their German custo…

Yes, companies constantly fire their American customers due to their nationality, or refuse to take Americans as new customers. (Banking and finance, in particular). Now, that's not a moral stance about American wars, it's just the natural outcome of the regulatory environment.

The original message from Hetzner suggests that this is also some kind of compliance issue rather than being driven by some kind of individual opposition to the war.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by red-iron-pine »

jsnell wrote: post #114
gizmo wrote: post #38

Does any company fire their American customers because of the calamitous Iraq war and related war crimes? Do companies fire their Israeli customers because of the current bombing campaign? What about Argentinian customers? Melei has contempt for European style democracy. Should Chinese customers get the boot because of the horrific treatment of Uyghurs by the Chinese Party? Should Hetzner also fire their German custo…

Yes, companies constantly fire their American customers due to their nationality, or refuse to take Americans as new customers. (Banking and finance, in particular). Now, that's not a moral stance about American wars, it's just the natural outcome of the regulatory environment. The original message from Hetzner suggests that this is also some kind of compliance issue rather than being driven by some kind of individua…

> Yes, companies constantly fire their American customers due to their nationality, or refuse to take Americans as new customers. (Banking and finance, in particular). Now, that's not a moral stance about American wars, it's just the natural outcome of the regulatory environment.

Specifically due to FATCA and related regulations that require foreign banks to report US citizens and potentially open the kimono if the IRS demands more about what they're up to.

No one outside of the middle east gave a shit about Iraq or Afghanistan enough to take the financial hit from pulling out of the US.

Even with moral shortcomings the US market was too big and too stable to walk away from. The Russian market was marginally stable, corrupt as hell, and mostly a source of raw materials and simple value-adds. For the EU that meant cheap gas, at the cost of funding people who hate you, and not taking steps to better nuclear or renewables.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by BAHKA »

benterix wrote: post #84
severino wrote: post #70

Probably Russia is ok with this too. Russian money that was going to the EU (and later used against Russian interests) will now go to somewhere else, maybe to friendlier countries.

> Russian money that was going to the EU (and later used against Russian interests) One consequence of the current war is that people realized that Russian money going to the EU was actually pretty often used to support Russian interests.

What a surprise... I am sure in contrast American money going to EU are used to support EU's interest, not American's

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by areyousure »

jacquesm wrote: post #18
dijit wrote: post #6

1 month to migrate is pretty dire. I would hope that they at least offer some kind of "pay for a year up front" kind of deal so that you can actually plan a migration. Quiet reminder that the actions of politicians and the actions of businesses/people - while not mutually exclusive - are usually quite disparate. I do feel for the citizens and business that do not endorse Russian aggression who: by accident of birth,…

It's two years and 6 weeks (almost 7), not 1 month.

I think one of the reasons people might be harping on you is because the "Special military operation" started on 2022 February 24, which is 652 days I assume you mean T + 6 weeks, where T is the time since the invasion and T is approximately 2 years, even though T + 6 weeks is still less than 2 years?

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by assusdan »

ahoka wrote: post #111
assusdan wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not quite true. The majority of population is afraid/unable/not want to be vocal about their opinion in public. Source: https://russianfield.com/180days (see aborted calls rate, and it is not the lowest i've ever seen) Anecdotal evidence: I live in Russia and I know only a couple of people who supports P. Both pro-war and anti-war people do not.

But you probably live in a big city and mostly have contact with people with similar socioeconomic status as you.

That's true, however I've spent 17 years in a countryside and I'm regularly visiting it. Also, urban population rate in Russia is quite high (at 75%) and 1M+ cities are around 30% to 40% of total pop.

Re: Hetzner is terminating contracts with all users who had a Russian postal address

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Post by VK538FY »

xtian wrote: post #90
benterix wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The media made all kinds of groundless prophecies especially at the beginning of the war when everyone, including Putin, were clueless. But now it should be obvious to everybody that it's going to be a very long war and nobody has any idea as to how it ends, and whether Putin's death will actually end it.[0] [0] He's much older than the average life expectancy for men in Russia (which is probably around 63 years now)…

You’re right that’s what the media is saying now so we need to update our beliefs accordingly.

True. I'm just observing all this wishful thinking and imagining the future me reading the headlines in say 12 to 18 months. This stuff is literal gold for contrarians like me.
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