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Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by saiya-jin »

rmbyrro wrote: post #101
rightbyte wrote: post #86

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> to protest the Israeli attack on Hamas Usually the critique is that civilians are targeted.

But the Hamas attack against Israel ONLY targeted civilians and OP isn't protesting.

This is not true, they targeted what they could, including any military equipment they met. The fact is, they didn't met much military resistance since army didn't consider such attack possible (there are alternative theories here but I'll ignore them) and the limited one they met they often overcame.

Many male and female IDF soldiers died in the 7.10. ambush and some were kidnapped back to Gaza, some of them were killed due to very poor / lacking equipment provided by military (overconfidence in intelligence and border protection/monitoring).

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by jessepasley »

rmbyrro wrote: post #101
rightbyte wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to protest the Israeli attack on Hamas Usually the critique is that civilians are targeted.

But the Hamas attack against Israel ONLY targeted civilians and OP isn't protesting.

That's not true. Also, there are no companies supporting Hamas.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by zakki »

rmbyrro wrote: post #101
rightbyte wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to protest the Israeli attack on Hamas Usually the critique is that civilians are targeted.

But the Hamas attack against Israel ONLY targeted civilians and OP isn't protesting.

Is there any company that provide support for Hamas? Inform OP so he can protest like he did to Amazon-Israel.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by JCharante »

submeta wrote: post #62

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It's a free market and I'm glad you're able to have that information and act on it.

Personally, I don't care about military actions. Whenever a "bad" country attacks another country, people are always quick to say that the country's military leadership doesn't represent the wills of the people, and you're never able to convince people that the civilian population should take accountability for their nation's actions. Henceforth I feel no responsibility for anything that my government does, because there will be people there to defend my inaction.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by bawolff »

MyFirstSass wrote: post #94
bradley13 wrote: post #75

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I'm not quite sure what your objection is? Are you generally against companies providing services related to warfare? Or are you specifically against providing services for the Israel/Gaza conflict? If the former - if you are generally protesting commercial services for the military - then there are a lot of companies you need to boycott, before you get around to Amazon. Amazon is a small fish in the sea. If the latt…

Thousands and thousands of kids have died in the span of a few months. More than 8000 is the latest number! More than in any other recent war. It's a grotesque display of war actual war crimes now excused by a torrent of fake stories that keeps getting debunked later like the one with "40 dead babies! Absolutely vile and inexcusable! Don't spread misinformation that it's "just Hamas" that's targeted. It's everyone be…

> It's a grotesque display of war actual war crimes

Even if we assume that number is accurate.

Dead children dont neccesarily equal a war crime, it depends on context. E.g. if the children are combatants, not a war crime. If it was collateral damage, not a war crime (assuming that it wasnt reckless, there was a porportional military advantage, etc. lots of details here).

To be a war crime requires a bunch of stuff beyond just children dying.

To be clear, its still a tragedy.

> More than in any other recent war

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemeni_civil_war_(2014%E2%80%9... says more than 85,000 children have died in the yemen civil war, so that's obviously untrue that its more than any other recent war. And that was the first war i checked.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by tttp »

rmbyrro wrote: post #101
rightbyte wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to protest the Israeli attack on Hamas Usually the critique is that civilians are targeted.

But the Hamas attack against Israel ONLY targeted civilians and OP isn't protesting.

OP is protesting against Amazon providing infrastructure for selecting targets for the IDF to bomb. I'm not aware of Amazon providing services to Hamas, so that the OP is not protesting there isn't that surprising, nor does it imply that OP isn't protesting against Hamas attack.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by kossTKR »

rightbyte wrote: post #86
bradley13 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not quite sure what your objection is? Are you generally against companies providing services related to warfare? Or are you specifically against providing services for the Israel/Gaza conflict? If the former - if you are generally protesting commercial services for the military - then there are a lot of companies you need to boycott, before you get around to Amazon. Amazon is a small fish in the sea. If the latt…

> to protest the Israeli attack on Hamas Usually the critique is that civilians are targeted.

More than 6000 thousand kids have died in the span of 2 months or so.

The most powerful militaries in the world, and more than 12.000 civilians already dead, packed together tightly as in a prison with nowhere to flee bombs raining down on them.

I don't get why anyone can support that. No matter the pretext. History going back over 75 years with so much suffering on both sides, but death tolls magnitudes larger on the palestinian side. A side that was just mostly regular farmers before the first Nakba but slowly became radicalised.

This conflict will surely radicalise the rest. Is that an active strategy? According to leaks in the Intercept it actually is: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-c...

Hamas was created as an active divide and conquer strategy.

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by marginallen »

concordDance wrote: post #99
bradley13 wrote: post #75

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I'm not quite sure what your objection is? Are you generally against companies providing services related to warfare? Or are you specifically against providing services for the Israel/Gaza conflict? If the former - if you are generally protesting commercial services for the military - then there are a lot of companies you need to boycott, before you get around to Amazon. Amazon is a small fish in the sea. If the latt…

> While the whole situation is a mess, Hamas definitely started this particular fist-fight. It's an insanely complicated mess going back a hundred years. Trying to figure out "who started it?" is impossible because at this point we're so far from the domain of applicability of "who started it?" that it isn't a coherent or well defined question any more.

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Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by RCitronsBroker »

zxt_tzx wrote: post #88
RCitronsBroker wrote: post #8

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cloudflare captchas really are a grade a pest at the moment, i already switched my DNS once because i always got stuck, now it happens again

I know this doesn't really solve the underlying problem, but I find that if I use Cloudflare's WARP ( https://1.1.1.1/ ), Cloudflare is able to recognize the traffic is coming from itself and I can get past these captchas

that’s weird, 1.1.1.1 gave me issues in the first place

Re: He blew the whistle on Amazon. He's still paying the price

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Post by cafeoh »

sgjohnson wrote: post #70
ako wrote: post #64

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Western companies can't afford to care, as their consumers are buying based on price. Bad working conditions usually mean lower prices, and more success for the company using this. You can't expect companies to fix this, this needs to come through politics and government. Unfortunately, these days governments who try to address it will be considered enemies of capitalism, considered leftish or communist. As prices wi…

> this needs to come through politics and government. There's nothing western politicians can do to fix working conditions in China. Embargo them? The working conditions in China won't get any better, and you'll simply put a lot of Chinese out of work by doing that. Higher tariffs? That's just a tax on importing goods for China. While it helps the domestic manufacturing sector, it still does nothing to fix the workin…

There is something western politicians can and should do to help working conditions outside the first world and it is exactly that: nothing.

I'd hope most people are familiar with the fact that the west, and specifically the CIA, later the NED and many different gov-backed orgs have been hard at work making sure the working conditions of those countries are either kept as exploitative as they are, or if possible made worse. Of course China is a fairly specific case, and while there obviously have been numerous cases of interventionism (like in the Tian'anmen square riots or Taiwan as a whole) stopping the endless anti-Chinese propaganda couldn't hurt (which I'm not accusing this article of being). It's absolutely obvious to everyone that the US and allies would jump at the first opportunity to meaningfully destabilize China's economy so, no, I certainly don't expect anything positive to be done for Chinese workers by western countries, and especially not by a country like the US that should very much look inwards when it comes to working conditions.

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