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Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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I am in Munich right now. Bavaria should start doing something about this. Snow from Friday is still not taken care of. Public transportation still does not work. Pathetic.

Markus Söder is currently busy with getting a ban on gendered words going in schools. Obviously that's much more important than anything else. Prost! :-)

German gendered language is horrible. Not the most pressing issue, though.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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His behavior on X seems to contradict that though. What does any of that have to do with building the best products?

> His behavior on X seems to contradict that though. Then why piss off advertisers?

because advertisers make X worse?

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Yeah we've been trained well in the US. Only our corporate overlords should have that kind of power.

Never heard of a shipping company refusing to ship based on political belief

>Never heard of a shipping company refusing to ship based on political belief

The strike is about working contracts not about Elon dumb stuff, and before someone defends Elon I will inform you that Elon himself admitted he said some very dumb stuff.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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You forgot to mention Schröder's famous Agenda 2010[1] which defanged German unions and they didn't fight back: "There were no strikes against Agenda 2010 as the German constitution prohibits politically motivated strikes, but some demonstrations at least were organized and supported by the unions." [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_2010

Agenda 2010 sound like something Putin would fund to weaken Germany. (for those who don't know, Schröder were a Putin stooge): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der

Unlikely. It's an agenda the big German industry players pushed since that made workers and unions weaker while making German industry more competitive worldwide and Germany as a country richer.

This serves as an important reminder for the distinction between national wealth and individual wealth, which are not always directly proportional. You can easily make your country wealthier and your people poorer at the same time, which is exactly what Agenda 2010 did.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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Yeah we've been trained well in the US. Only our corporate overlords should have that kind of power.

Never heard of a shipping company refusing to ship based on political belief

It is not shipping company. It is shipping company workers not wanting to touch Tesla stuff.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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I'm a European working in a country with strong labour laws. But I wouldn't want a specific union to have a monopoly over my entire country and in case I don't want them to they shouldn't meddle with my work. And to be honest I believe that the state postal workers should have absolutely no say on whether someone gets their mail delivered.

I mean, you’re wrong because the only way to implement what you’re suggesting is policing unions. The whole point of the union system is to be a separate pillar of power to the state to keep it in check.

>you’re wrong because the only way to implement what you’re suggesting

I'm not suggesting anything.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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> If he wants to be remembered as the dude global labor had to organize against, I mean, the bar is already pretty low where he's at but perhaps we have yet to hit bedrock. Probably with a bit to be said about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain through the appropriate lens. Highly recommend watching the full interview that Andrew Ross Sorkin did with Elon Musk (it is the one where he told advert…

Agreed, and if Norway, Sweden, and Denmark, are for the people, let the people decide whether want to buy a Tesla and support Elon. Cutting off shipping to their rightful owners sounds like you are curtailing your own citizens from living as they please. Would be interesting if they and other countries unions had stopped the shipments of iPhones to their citizen consumers due to the working conditions and no unions a…

They aren’t protesting working Tesla conditions outside their countries. They’re protesting how Tesla treats the workers/unions inside Sweden.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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No, he wouldn’t get into so many mudslinging fights if he just cared about being famous. He desperately wants to be liked and thought of as cool.

There is a melancholy, defeated aspect to saying someone with such notable imagination and success as Elon is motivated only by insecurity.

I think many deeply insecure tech bros relate to him so much because they don't realize they themselves are that same sort of insecure. Also, I never said he was only motivated by it, he is just obviously extremely insecure.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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From what I understand the strikers aren't asking for more money or anything specific other than Tesla to honor collective bargaining with unions Tesla cannot have different deals with different shops, has to respect what it agrees with unions.

German news media clearly say that it's not about DIRECT asking for more money.

In Europe a lot of countries have a system of "Tarifvertrag" ("tarrif contract", but really "collective agreement"). In such contracts the workers union of a section (e.g. metal) do a contract with the business union of the employers. They settle then down to "give 28 days of holidays and x EUR per month to each" ... and then they won't strike. The special thing about this "Tarifvertrag" is now that EVERYBODY benefits from them, union member or not! In Sweden, for example, such general tariffs apply to 90% of the employees. So you can see how normal it's seen there. Anything that fights against this normality is thus seen not favorably (in Denmark it's 80%, in Germany it's much less, just 51%).

Now, Tesla Sweden says that they don't won't to follow such a model, since Eon Musky is, as many US brainwashed business people, is strictly anti-union. Whatever comes from unions is surely coming right from hell :-)

And so in October 130 Tesla employees in various service stations went to strike. Musky didn't bulge. In November 470 employees did strike. Musky still thinking he can work against unions (not with them, like it is custom in Europe, maybe with the exception of France, you can't work with their unions ...). Then workers from other swedish unions said "We don't load/unload for Tesla in Sweden". And now danish and and norwegian workers joined as well.

Currently 12 different unions joined the "make Tesla think a bit more european" strike.

Re: Norway Joins Denmark in Swedish Tesla Strike/Blockade

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How does his behavior on X contradict it? I'm not following.

Continually posting on social media about topics unrelated to building cars, rockets, satellites is all about influencing public perception of yourself. So clearly he does care what people think of him and actively spends time managing that.

You’re giving him way too much credit, there.

He posts on Twitter because he’s addicted to it &can’t really stop himself. It’s not a grand strategy of PR.

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