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Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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post #52

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Have fun paying a fortune if you need to get those files again.

If you need all of them, and can wait 5-12 hours, that appears to be free to request and transfer? Or am I misreading[0]? [0] https://aws.amazon.com/s3/glacier/pricing/#Retrieval_request... <- under "Bulk"

Free retrieval pricing, but not free transfer. Transfer is starting at $0.09 per GB :-)

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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post #76

I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

> Unfortunately, this had a UI "update" too and now practically nothing can be customized the way I prefer. If someone forks Roundcube and brings back the old theme, I will switch to it tomorrow.

?? The old skins (Classic and Larry) are still available as plugins via PHP composer, aren't they?

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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> It did take a _lot_ of effort to migrating my existing data to the docker container Or you could just use some external storage. Like SMB or something. And then you would learn what updates aren't 'a breeze'. And there is no built-in SMB support in the default container. Since I'm running it since OwnCloud days too, I have an opinion on it and it's Not. Good. Desktop client for Windows is miserable and sucks: a) yo…

> And finally it's a PHP app with a tons of legacy code Finally? That's a security nightmare right there.

I think legacy code in any language is a security nightmare; not just PHP. Imagine a half-a-decade-old NodeJS project...

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Comments here seem to suggest that Nextcloud isn't worth it. Later today I'm supposed to talk with some folks at IT looking for an in-house file-sharing/collaboration tool that Dropbox/GoogleDrive is (or was, because after GoogleDrive price hikes our institution ditched them). I was going to suggest Nextcloud as a possible option to investigate...

There is no FOSS file sharing solution that gets close to being as usable, especially for sharing, as dropbox/drive.

Google Drive is so good that it even loses 6 Months of Data without noticing it, unless a customer writes them in the forum

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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post #6

I'm glad the post states that Roundcube will stay an independent product. Roundcube is on a whole other level in terms of stability and robustness compared to Nextcloud. I'm also glad that the current Nextcloud client will be replaced, because it's not very good right now.

12-18mos before that changes. no company in the world is going to maintain 2 separate software products that compete with each other. They will be merged, my prediction is 12 to 18 mos

which sucks bc nextcloud is an ugly, heavyweight beast of a suite to run. whereas roundcube i'm happy running it on my lightweight el cheapo VPS.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

#116
post #76

I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

I also have Nextcloud running on docker using linuxserver.io image and the upgrade process is a breeze. I usually upgrade by running watchtower once a month to update my docker images.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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post #95
post #52

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Have fun paying a fortune if you need to get those files again.

For "expedited" retrieval it is $0.01 per request plus $0.03 per GB. Doesn't seem like a fortune. And there are retrieval options for 1/10th the cost.

Transfer is starting at $0.09 per GB.

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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post #76

I've been running Nextcloud for family collaboration purposes since before the fork from Owncloud. I've been pretty happy with it overall. My biggest gripe with it is the increasing schizophrenia of the UX devs. One thing I _loved_ about Nextcloud was that they paid a lot of attention to making it easy to navigate and use. The newer UX "enhancements" seem to be all about maximizing (useless) whitespace and making eve…

> I also use round cube

> [ their useless UX designers ruined it ]

Why do you have to wait for someone to fork it? Can’t you just not update to the bad version? I thought that was a major appeal of hosting your own email client like this.

And given the email protocols won’t ever change, I would assume it’ll continue working the same for a decade or more.

(My only guess is a security worry, but this seems like a rather niche thing that something this niche would be unlikely to be attacked unless I were targeted by some state-level actor)

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

12-18mos before that changes. no company in the world is going to maintain 2 separate software products that compete with each other. They will be merged, my prediction is 12 to 18 mos

which sucks bc nextcloud is an ugly, heavyweight beast of a suite to run. whereas roundcube i'm happy running it on my lightweight el cheapo VPS.

Nextcloud looks clunky but it certainly isn't heavyweight

Re: Roundcube open-source webmail software merges with Nextcloud

#120
post #47

I hate nextcloud with a passion and I just hope they can govern a project like roundcube... used it for 20 years even through the whole roundcube next debacle. That said roundcube itself is not an oss project with a clean track record. Nextcloud is the OSS equivalent of IBM and ticking boxes so it's easy for management to pull the trigger but every feature is just a half-assed buggy implementation. Gobbling up OSS fu…

Hmm, I am using it for years and can’t quite relate to your passionate hate.

With regards to box ticking, that is probably something you need to do if you want to compete with Gsuite and O365. Both have sales teams which are influencing some decision makers in organisations wherever they can. If you give these people the opportunity to say ‘Ha, we can’t use Nextcloud because it does not support XYZ’ then they will. You never get fired because you bought IBM. It is very difficult to get through this barrier. Sometimes you need to put a bit of lipstick on your pig, because others did it as well.

Plus, XYZ might be implemented half-aresed in Gsuite or O365 as well.

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