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They're Made Out of Meat (1991)

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weird to remember when universities gave people web pages and let them remain, even after they left. the owner has apparently passed away. https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/bostonglobe/name/david-... https://stuff.mit.edu/people/dpolicar/dave/resume.html

Dave was a friend. He was one of the most intellectually curious people I knew. Gone way too soon.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they aren't, and there is no obvious vector for them to develop the capability.

while they don't yet rise to the level i would describe as 'intelligent' without qualifications, they do seem to be less unintelligent than most of the humans, and in particular most of the ones criticizing them in this way, who consistently repeat specific criticisms applicable to years-ago systems which have no factual connection to current reality

It doesn't matter how it "appears".

A disembodied paragraph that I've transmitted to you can appear to be intelligent or not, but it only really matters in the sense that you can ascribe that intellect to an agent.

The LLM isn't an agent and no intellect can be ascribed to it. It is a device actual intelligent agents have made and ascribing it intellect is equally as erroneous.

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Andy Weir's The Egg is another excellent short story: [1] http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html If you're looking for more short stories, I highly recommend the following: • Ted Chiang's Exhalation • Ted Chiang's Story of Your Life and Others • Ken Liu's Paper Menagerie • Borges's Ficciones • Smullyan's What is the Name of This Book? • Smullyan's Lady or the Tiger? • Douglas Adams's God's Debris Remember t…

Add to that "Thang" by Martin Gardner (yes, that Martin Gardner, you Scientific American old-timers). I read it in an Isaac Asimov-curated short story collection once upon a time and it remains one of my favorite short-shorts.

Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut, is the short story that always comes to my mind when I think about this type of thing.

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Andy Weir's The Egg is another excellent short story: [1] http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html If you're looking for more short stories, I highly recommend the following: • Ted Chiang's Exhalation • Ted Chiang's Story of Your Life and Others • Ken Liu's Paper Menagerie • Borges's Ficciones • Smullyan's What is the Name of This Book? • Smullyan's Lady or the Tiger? • Douglas Adams's God's Debris Remember t…

If you enjoy darker/harder sci-fi "Axiomatic" is a great collection by Greg Egan.

Early Egan is excellent. Permutation City is one of my favorite novels.

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I've never understood what people see in this story. Meat is a complex organization of trillions of self-replicating machines, each of which (besides red blood cells maybe) is also incredibly complex... much more advanced than anything human minds have been able to build. I can't imagine what a sentient entity would have to be made out of or how much less "efficient" or stable it would have to be than me for me to fi…

This is literature, it can be interpreted as how deeply we judge those who don't look like us.

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Andy Weir's The Egg is another excellent short story: [1] http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html If you're looking for more short stories, I highly recommend the following: • Ted Chiang's Exhalation • Ted Chiang's Story of Your Life and Others • Ken Liu's Paper Menagerie • Borges's Ficciones • Smullyan's What is the Name of This Book? • Smullyan's Lady or the Tiger? • Douglas Adams's God's Debris Remember t…

I recommend The Nine Billion Names of God by Arthur C. Clarke.

https://urbigenous.net/library/nine_billion_names_of_god.htm...

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post #92

Enjoyed this but upon reflection seems odd that they would have a word "meat" and yet be unfamiliar with biological systems / consciousness in animals.

"Meat" here reminds particular mammals that other mammals, other animals, are sentient as well. For many it is just meat.

Another great interpretation of the story would be via speciesism/anthropocentrism, we consider ourselves better than other animals, but for the aliens, we would all be "meat".

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