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Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by sgt101 »

convexstrictly wrote: post #84
aidaman wrote: post #61

GPT5 pre-training just ended I believe. Brock, Pachocki, Szymon Sidor, would have likely all been involved. These are huge losses. Pachocki led pre-training for GPT-4, and probably GPT-5. Brockman is the major engineer responsible for the efficiency improvements that enabled ChatGPT and GPT-4 to be even remotely cost-effective. That is a piece that is often overlooked, but OpenAI's advantage over the competition in c…

"Greg Brockman works 60 to 100 hours per week, and spends around 80% of the time coding. Former colleagues have described him as the hardest-working person at OpenAI." https://time.com/collection/time100-ai/6309033/greg-brockman...

Seems to me that most of that is spent on twitter.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by repomies69 »

hilux wrote: post #48
dschuetz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree AI is useful, but not to that extent to what it is valued on the market. I do not think that AI companies can deliver as much as they promise. With the driving core at OpenAI basically gone, I bet they will soon implode under the weight of their promises. Which means, investors will start pulling out their stakes. boom

Speaking for my own n of 1, ChatGPT Pro has almost entirely (>90%) replaced the Google search engine in my daily life. The results from ChatGPT are just so much better and faster. That's got to be worth something, since Alphabet is a $1.7T company mostly on the strength of ads associated with Google search.

I used it in the beginning, but now I am back to google... I don't think the results were better with ChatGPT.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by smsm42 »

huytersd wrote: post #16
dschuetz wrote: post #13

Are those the first cracks in the AI market bubble?

Is it a bubble if it’s useful and I use it dozens of time a day?

Could be. Housing bubble happened even though most people lived in houses and still do. It's all in price vs utility. If the former gets way ahead of the latter, and people start trading just on future price raises, you've got a bubble.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by Mentlo »

cryptoz wrote: post #87
Mentlo wrote: post #66

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Chat gpt is not a good source of truth so can’t be used for information retrieval at scale. You might have a specific usage pattern that is very different to the majority of Google Search users so it works for you

Searching Google is not a good source of truth either; especially their infoboxes which have been infamously and dangerously wrong. And if you follow a random search result link - well, who knows if the content on that site is trustworthy either!

But you’re in control of your information retrieval, you didn’t have an unreliable agent synthesise bits in the middle.

Again - to each their own. But what people use google for GPT doesn’t replicate anyway (and what the Google business was built on) - which is commercial info retrieval.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by karmasimida »

padolsey wrote: post #104
karmasimida wrote: post #64

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I am at lost. Not fear, just lost. Don't know what to do. Is my investment into their API still worth it? It feels very unstable at this moment.

If you're just using their completions/chat API, you're gonna be ok. As an ultimate fallback you can spin up H100s in the cloud and run VLLM atop a high param open model like Llama 70B. Such models will catch up and their param counts will increase.. eventually. But initially expect gpt-3.5-esque performance. VLLM will give you an OpenAI-like REST API atop a range of models. Keep making things :))

Thx. I will. My current interests mainly lies in benchmarking their vision model.

That being said, I might not go further relying on their APIs for something more serious

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by waihtis »

drawfloat wrote: post #89
waihtis wrote: post #15

As I said in the other thread, this is 100% a AI doomerist hijack.

Well, shit, maybe Altman shouldn't have stoked that by signing letters how about AI was an extinction risk then.

altman is a secret accelerationist and was just playing a ruse

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by beshur »

hilux wrote: post #48
dschuetz wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree AI is useful, but not to that extent to what it is valued on the market. I do not think that AI companies can deliver as much as they promise. With the driving core at OpenAI basically gone, I bet they will soon implode under the weight of their promises. Which means, investors will start pulling out their stakes. boom

Speaking for my own n of 1, ChatGPT Pro has almost entirely (>90%) replaced the Google search engine in my daily life. The results from ChatGPT are just so much better and faster. That's got to be worth something, since Alphabet is a $1.7T company mostly on the strength of ads associated with Google search.

Google ads span much more farther than in search - it's all over internet, on all websites, mobile etc.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by Racing0461 »

wyy1995 wrote: post #9

Sam should lead a group of outstanding engineers to rebuild another AI company. Maybe in the long run, leaving openai's naive board of directors might not be a bad thing for him.

> group of outstanding engineers to rebuild another AI company

openai was that backed by a nonprofit structure. and it still caused sam to be michael dell'ed/steve job'ed.

seems like the issue was with having a board/didnt have a majority on it. Zuckerberg having 53% voting power on the board is probably the greatest thing he managed. Anything sam does from now should follow the same.

/disclaimer - i have no idea how voting shares work.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by waihtis »

anonymouskimmer wrote: post #101
waihtis wrote: post #25

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its not even that, they have literally one argument and its nanobots

The more realistic argument is that AI will be used as a power amplifier by the already powerful.

actually is the opposite, it would democratize power at an unprecedented scale, that's why corporations are funding these NGO's (useful idiots)

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Post by dkarras »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #90
siquick wrote: post #60

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FAANG would probably be viewed as a step down from OpenAI at this point (or at least until today)

Which is exactly why you can expect a good position and lots of benefits.

does not matter, even CEO of Facebook role is a step down. This is a different game. I doubt these people have to work anymore. they are after something else.
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