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Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Post by goodluckchuck »

quickthrowman wrote: post #84
IAmNotACellist wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI shouldn't even be making a profit, as it's a 501(c)3 charity. The whole umbrella for-profit corp they formed when they became popular should be illegal, and is clearly immoral.

You have it backwards, the not for profit entity owns the for profit entity. From Wikipedia: > OpenAI is an American artificial intelligence (AI) organization consisting of the non-profit OpenAI, Inc.[4] registered in Delaware and its for-profit subsidiary corporation OpenAI Global, LLC.[5] IKEA [0] and Rolex [1] are structured in a similar manner, although different since they’re not US based. [0] https://en.m.wikip…

What’s the point of the subsidiary?

Nonprofits can already raise funds by e.g. selling T-Shirts, baked goods, ai services, etc…

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Post by justinjlynn »

cma wrote: post #69
speedylight wrote: post #3

> Microsoft, which has invested billions in OpenAI, learned that OpenAI was ousting CEO Sam Altman just a minute before the news was shared with the world, according to a person familiar with the situation. Well this probably disproves the theory that it was a power grab by Microsoft. It didn’t make too much sense anyway since they already have access to tech behind GPT and Microsoft doesn’t necessarily need the clou…

> was ousting CEO Sam Altman just a minute before the news was shared with the world, according to a person familiar with the situation. Maybe almost had to since it was during market hours.

Maybe shouldn't have been given advanced notice at all, since it was during trading hours.

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Post by Sosh101 »

quickthrowman wrote: post #84
IAmNotACellist wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OpenAI shouldn't even be making a profit, as it's a 501(c)3 charity. The whole umbrella for-profit corp they formed when they became popular should be illegal, and is clearly immoral.

You have it backwards, the not for profit entity owns the for profit entity. From Wikipedia: > OpenAI is an American artificial intelligence (AI) organization consisting of the non-profit OpenAI, Inc.[4] registered in Delaware and its for-profit subsidiary corporation OpenAI Global, LLC.[5] IKEA [0] and Rolex [1] are structured in a similar manner, although different since they’re not US based. [0] https://en.m.wikip…

Sounds perverse somehow.

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Post by Sosh101 »

VirusNewbie wrote: post #66
kcb wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feels like the kind of situation where the two are just going to end up forming a new company that eventually surpasses OpenAI.

What would they bring to the table? It doesn't seem like Greg Brockman brings more than Ilya, and what would sam do?

They'd bring to the table having been CEO and CTO of OpenAI. That's a lot of relevant knowledge and experience (the latter being the more important in this case).

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Post by hm-nah »

hm-nah wrote: post #100

I don’t believe it. I watched OpenAI DevDay live last week (wasn’t it?). I immediately noticed how Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI, was treating (slighting so subtly in my mind) Satya Nadela, the CEO of Microsoft. The last this he said was: “I look forward to building AGI with you” or the like… I’m betting that he insulted Satya at that event or upshowed him, etc. and that’s why he’s kicking rocks…

There it is!!

There it is!!

“I look forward to building AGI with you.”

vs.

“Together, we will continue to deliver the meaningful benefits of this technology to the world.”

https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2023/11/17/a-statement-from...

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Post by TillE »

serf wrote: post #92
broken_clock wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In journalist speak, that means "credible person I know who would get fired if I said their name." It's probably literally an exec on the OpenAI/Microsoft partnership. The alternative to "a person familiar" is us as readers never get this information at all.

> In journalist speak, that means "credible person I know who would get fired if I said their name." those are some bold beliefs given the overall honesty in journalism and benefits to being first to publish.

There's a lot to criticize about Axios, but having high-profile connections is like the entire reason they exist. They don't make stuff up.

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Post by [deleted] »

goodluckchuck wrote: post #111
quickthrowman wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have it backwards, the not for profit entity owns the for profit entity. From Wikipedia: > OpenAI is an American artificial intelligence (AI) organization consisting of the non-profit OpenAI, Inc.[4] registered in Delaware and its for-profit subsidiary corporation OpenAI Global, LLC.[5] IKEA [0] and Rolex [1] are structured in a similar manner, although different since they’re not US based. [0] https://en.m.wikip…

What’s the point of the subsidiary? Nonprofits can already raise funds by e.g. selling T-Shirts, baked goods, ai services, etc…

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Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Post by SheinhardtWigCo »

speedylight wrote: post #3

> Microsoft, which has invested billions in OpenAI, learned that OpenAI was ousting CEO Sam Altman just a minute before the news was shared with the world, according to a person familiar with the situation. Well this probably disproves the theory that it was a power grab by Microsoft. It didn’t make too much sense anyway since they already have access to tech behind GPT and Microsoft doesn’t necessarily need the clou…

Completely disagree. Right now they're not much more than a fancy reseller of OpenAI's technology. The real prize would be exclusivity and control of the roadmap.

Buying them (or getting de facto control) is clearly an easier way to achieve that, vs. replicating the technology in-house.

IMO this is the most important part of Nadella's blog post:

> Most importantly, we’re committed to delivering all of this to our customers while building for the future.

It's curious to me that they see the departure of Sam Altman as a reason to remind us that they are "building for the future" (which I take to mean: working toward independence from OpenAI). I think it actually lends credence to the theory that this was a failed power grab of some sort.

Re: Microsoft was blindsided by OpenAI's ouster of CEO Sam Altman

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Post by capableweb »

baron816 wrote: post #62

I wonder if this is one of those pivotal moments in history where OpenAI collapses or fades and Google or someone else dominates the future of AI, and we’re all left wondering “what if”.

Unless Google (or someone else) outright acquires GPT4 and future GPT research, it's unlikely that someone will suddenly overtake OpenAI. From what we've seen, no one is close to GPT4, sometimes not even GPT3.
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