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I'm not using rinse aid at all. Just dishwasher gel with no rinse aid included, and salt. Cheap-ish Beko dishwasher. No issues.
Agreed, but I’m also someone who thinks dryer sheets are a scam as well.
They’re not?
Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
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Every once in a while I grab a water cup, usually at a coffee shop, and I notice the cups smell a bit like bleach. Always struck me as weird, but I figured they wouldn't put them out that way if it wasn't safe I might be more careful now
I doubt most minimum wage earning coffee shop teens will know any better.
why would they? if you wanted someone trained in food chemistry then your coffee would cost 2x. hell, chances are the manager doesn't know much more, either.
they have dishwasher, they put cups in dishwasher, they run, they serve in clean cups.
it's clear from the article that this is an issue across the entire food service industry, and has nothing to do with whether or not your pimply faced barista knows what the safe level of rinse aid in pre-made clears is.
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I had over 10 years of eczeme/sensitivity between my fingers after operating a professional dishwasher for under a year. I always thought the reason was the handling of the hot, sprayed tableware. It set on pretty quickly too : couple of months.
How did your eczema go away?
At the time I got some 'hormone' ointment from my doctor ( this is really scary and amazing stuff btw, apply it before bed, next morning : completely restored fingers ).
I noticed the eczema returned as soon as I did wet cleaning in the house, so I converted to a staunch cleaning gloves wearer.
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Yes, but let me add my personal but - bottles for kids often have complex non leaking valves where detergent accumulates - as in you can see pieces of undissolved tablet every single time inside it. If missed it’ll affect little kids, every day, so be aware.
Also personal, but not every member of the family thinks about how water behaves — like how it pools — while loading the machine.
Constant debate between me and my significant other. She’s always annoyed that I go through and reorganize everything so that things drain and rinse properly.
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#115Can someone who understands more about chemistry tell me where exactly which detergents use alcohol ethoxylates and how do I spot them from the label? Should I be concerned about this at home?
Household dishwashers are not affected because they usually have an additional wash cycle in the end. This study is about professional machines which wash dishes in mere minutes. So you can't do anything about it if you still want to eat at restaurants and don't want to bring your own dishes.
Always wondered what dishes look like with rinse aid and why people buy it. What am I missing? Are my dishes and glasses not sparkly enough without this aid?
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Every once in a while I grab a water cup, usually at a coffee shop, and I notice the cups smell a bit like bleach. Always struck me as weird, but I figured they wouldn't put them out that way if it wasn't safe I might be more careful now
I doubt most minimum wage earning coffee shop teens will know any better.
They know better than to drink out of the machines which were supposedly cleaned when they weren't there to know for sure.
In the best-run high-turnover locations where cleaning agents are used according to a rigorous schedule proven to prevent slime and bacteria, it might be even more likely to have exposure if the chemicals are habitually incompletely rinsed from the apparatus afterward.
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That's called the sous la vie style of cooking, gaining popularity in busy North American households every decade.
I presume you meant 'sous vide', aka stewing stuff in plastic bags. When talking about various chemical crap in food and around it, I find it hilarious that folks consider baking food they eat in plastic bag as something to not even pause and think about healthwise
If you’re concerned about the plastic you can use reusable silicone bags.
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Vinegar can be a stronger acid than citric acid and has the potential to damage rubber sealings. That's why many manufacturers specifically advise against it.
Interesting. I’ve used 5% for as long as I can remember, seems to be recommended for that reason. Just never bothered to look into it before as my units haven’t shown any damage. Thanks!
Same. I've used normal 5% vinegar for years and haven't had any problems.
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> if it's open, and longer then 7 days in the fridge you toss it I hope you don't strictly follow that rule or you'll throw away loads of absolutely edible stuff. Pickles, ketchup, mustard, jams, ... Yoghurt is often still fine after a week. My thing of miso has been open for months.
I throw out food when it is bad, not based on some arbitrary timer.
I do too and I have an upset stomach sometimes.. I note and try to adjust, since I'm not going to throw out virtually everything I buy to be 100% safe at the cost of absurd food waste. The point of health inspectors, etc, is that we can't take all the same kind of risks in a high volume kitchen.
I don't understand why the idea that an average person gives themselves food poisoning often is rocket science here.
Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids
#120Get yourself a big old tub of anhydrous citric acid from Amazon or wherever, make up a 10% solution and use that in place of rinse aid. Just check with your dishwasher manufacturer that it’s not going to cause issues first. I got a new Miele unit a few months ago and the manual specifically advises the use of such a solution, with caution not to make it any stronger. It’s been working like a charm.
The last time an article like this went around, I decided to do the same thing with my Miele. The metal starting becoming stained pretty soon, and just recently I decided to switch to 7th Generation organic detergent powder. YMMV but wanted to share my anecdata for anyone considering the same.
How do you make "organic detergent"? Was it grown without synthetic pesticides, or...? I'm pretty skeptical of the word "organic" getting thrown around in marketing... so I'm really curious what makes a detergent qualify as organic.