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EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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Post by vintermann »

eddtries wrote: post #24
eigenket wrote: post #4

Despite the lobbying from American organisations (Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon, Palantir and others who worked with Thorn on this [1][2]) the EU Parliament did the right thing this time. [1] https://www.thorn.org/partnerships/ [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20130420162917/http://www.wearet...

The thing that I find shocking about lobbying is just how cheap it is. In the FTX trial the amount they spent lobbying politicians for pro-crypto laws was released and we're talking low five figures. SBF even said lobbying was very cheap for the impact you can get. Naively I thought it would cost millions to get a politician to support you but actually it's cheap enough a FAANG engineer could individually pay enough…

It's about relationships - soft power - more than money. Speaking fees, revolving door/sinecure jobs, and donations to your charities will be there for you should you need it, so there's no need to ask for things up front.

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Post by eddtries »

TacticalCoder wrote: post #103
andrewinardeer wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That money is just to employ lobbyists and their associated expenses. I'm sure there is additional money for lobbying that is not on the books. Holidays, houses, good bullion, crypto, free memberships to exclusive clubs and the like that is gifted to politician's and their spouses by big industry.

Doctors do get weekends in fancy hotels and subscriptions offered by big pharmas for sure: I've got friends who get those.

It's getting far more regulated though, and that's a good thing - big Pharma pushing drugs to doctors is one of the most sickening parts of capitalism.

Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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Post by throwaway2990 »

rkangel wrote: post #22
throwaway2990 wrote: post #5

WhatsApp will claim its end to end encryption and can’t scan the messages when they can and do.

Citation?

No citation needed. If the statement was false we wouldn’t get advertising based on conversations that happen in what’s app.

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Post by waihtis »

api wrote: post #106
waihtis wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The expert panel for this was truly a sight to behold, with majority representation coming from outside the EU (mostly american, but also canadian, new zealand and australian representation): https://twitter.com/SimoKohonen/status/1722635234116506052

Looks like some of the AI doom regulatory capture panels I’ve seen.

Oh yes. Strong industry lobby groups from the US, a handful of useful idiots from the EU. Amazing power balance.

Re: EU Parliament Civil Liberties Committee adopts position on CSAR

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Post by scrps »

eddtries wrote: post #24
eigenket wrote: post #4

Despite the lobbying from American organisations (Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon, Palantir and others who worked with Thorn on this [1][2]) the EU Parliament did the right thing this time. [1] https://www.thorn.org/partnerships/ [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20130420162917/http://www.wearet...

The thing that I find shocking about lobbying is just how cheap it is. In the FTX trial the amount they spent lobbying politicians for pro-crypto laws was released and we're talking low five figures. SBF even said lobbying was very cheap for the impact you can get. Naively I thought it would cost millions to get a politician to support you but actually it's cheap enough a FAANG engineer could individually pay enough…

Also it has to do with wink wink nudge nudge "Come see us if the election doesn't work out."

Knowing you are losing an election and getting dumped into a $350k/yr easy-mode job takes the edge off.

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Post by Lutger »

eddtries wrote: post #24
eigenket wrote: post #4

Despite the lobbying from American organisations (Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon, Palantir and others who worked with Thorn on this [1][2]) the EU Parliament did the right thing this time. [1] https://www.thorn.org/partnerships/ [2] https://web.archive.org/web/20130420162917/http://www.wearet...

The thing that I find shocking about lobbying is just how cheap it is. In the FTX trial the amount they spent lobbying politicians for pro-crypto laws was released and we're talking low five figures. SBF even said lobbying was very cheap for the impact you can get. Naively I thought it would cost millions to get a politician to support you but actually it's cheap enough a FAANG engineer could individually pay enough…

How sure can you be that your lobby is successful? Can you like 'buy' a politician, effectively a legal bribe, or is it more nuanced?

In the EU, a lot of laws are effectively written or co-authored by companies, which saves the politicians and their staffs incredible amounts of time and expertise. This must be quite expensive, just to have the lawyers on payroll who are able to do that.

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Post by Vespasian »

sebstefan wrote: post #34
waihtis wrote: post #12

I've become so jaded by the EU that was expecting the worst from this, so kudos Let's see how quickly it'll resurface again

I was jaded by this proposal as well, but jaded by the EU in general? GDPR, forced interoperability from gatekeepers, the 2 year warranty on anything bought online This attempt at breaking encryption completely stood out with the usual things The EU seems like the only governmental organization that's working well to improve my life, in my country. Everything else is either decaying or opposing my values.

Specifically in the digital space the DMA and DSA try (and will probably at least partially succeed) to break the plattform feudal rule and move their role more towards that of a public utility by restricting how they can use their market power.

That'll have a massive (I think positive) effect on the digital economy.

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