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Fedora 39 Released

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Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by phendrenad2 »

reisse wrote: post #69
phendrenad2 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, distros need to kept up-to-date, and by updating GNOME, you get new features for free. Downstream, Fedora grabs these updates. Downstream of that, someone spams Hacker News with the changelog. It's the cycle of life.

> Red Hat didn't work on the image viewer. Honestly glad to err here. Kudos to Chris Davis, Sophie Herold and other contributors. > Why do you keep making comments on things you are uninformed on? I'm informed well enough on the facts that a) Red Hat is the top contributor to GNOME; b) development of core GNOME features is going too little, too late, while every release is boasting about not-so-important stuff gettin…

> If only two thirds of GNOME weren't contributed by full-time Red Hat employees

Can you actually confirm that they're actually instructed by Red Hat to do this? Or is there just a large coincidental overlap between GNOME contributors and Red Hat employees?

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by darthrupert »

ladyanita22 wrote: post #102
tapoxi wrote: post #3

I've been a huge fan of Fedora, and it seems this release does 90% of what I want, but since I'm on a Framework 13 with a weird screen resolution, I once again fall into DPI scaling hell. GNOME locks fractional scaling behind an experimental option, apps like Signal are blurry and apps like Steam just seemingly ignore any attempt to scale properly. For what it's worth KDE seems to handle at least the blurry X scaling…

Why not using Fedora KDE?

KDE seems to be much less stable for just about everything, but especially under Wayland.

But I've learned to understand that some peoples' experience is almost the exact opposite.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by pietro72ohboy »

darthrupert wrote: post #112
ladyanita22 wrote: post #102

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Why not using Fedora KDE?

KDE seems to be much less stable for just about everything, but especially under Wayland. But I've learned to understand that some peoples' experience is almost the exact opposite.

I speak for my own experience but KDE has been incredibly stable on my machines. For work, I use Plasma on Debian Bookworm and after putting in some work to set Plasma up the right way (set up my favorite fonts, scaling factor, etc.), everything works without issues/crashes. On my personal machine, I'm using Fedora Kinoite (immutable Fedora with KDE) and the experience has been similarly splendid. I do feel that Kinoite is a bit more polished than Debian but I guess that has more to do with Debian's opinionated principles rather than anything else.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by pietro72ohboy »

whalesalad wrote: post #80
FergusArgyll wrote: post #78

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I actually have Debian 12 with KDE in a VirtualBox VM and am having issues with some windows appearing semi-transparent and not showing text, it's very weird and hard to explain. It might be because of a VirtualBox setting, i'm not sure. I still prefer it to a fully functioning gnome

I’m running bare metal on a 13900K, RX 6600 gpu (wayland) connected to an 5K Apple studio display and I’ve had zero issues. TBH I can’t run gnome it crashes but KDE has been flawless.

KDE on Debian Bookworm has been perfect for me too!

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by tantony »

brightball wrote: post #19
tantony wrote: post #15

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I bought a Framework 13 when it first came out, with exactly this hope. I gave up after about one month of madness and ordered an M1 Max Macbook Pro. I also installed Windows on the Framework with WSL. Now it gets used very rarely (like for when I want to do Windows development, or for my parents to use when they visit) and mostly sits around gathering dust. Desktop linux has burned me one too many times for me to tr…

I've run almost exclusively Linux for the past 7ish years. First with Dell and then System76. It's been an overall very smooth experience. I decided I wanted to get a machine with a powerful video card recently, so now I'm running an Alienware with Windows for the first time since 2005 on my primary monitor and my Linux machine on a side monitor. The only real win for Windows is that it remembers my audio/video setti…

Before buying the Framework, I used a MacBook Pro for ~11 years. I am perfectly comfortable with the command-line and ssh into a Linux VM every day at work (windows laptop). I use a tmux+neovim setup that mostly works without any problems (except for random LSP issues at times).

I can just get all of the advantages of a *nix shell but with a better UI, using macOS. I have zero regrets from switching back to a Mac after my month-long experiment. My only regret is that I didn't order the M1 Max as soon as it was out and couldn't get the amount of RAM I wanted (it had a long wait by the time I decided to buy).

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by throwaway22208 »

pjmlp wrote: post #106
paulddraper wrote: post #81

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Well you're in luck, because 2024 is the year of the Linux desktop.

Sure, emulating Windows games via Proton....

I guess Windows was never a real desktop OS either because no developer bothered porting the entire NES library to it.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by pjmlp »

throwaway22208 wrote: post #116
pjmlp wrote: post #106

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Sure, emulating Windows games via Proton....

I guess Windows was never a real desktop OS either because no developer bothered porting the entire NES library to it.

They wrote new games for it, there was no need to emulate NES.

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by aryonoco »

xanthine wrote: post #89
xanthine wrote: post #88

The linked article doesn't seem to link to the documentation page, with all the change logs, so here you go: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/releases/f39/

Perhaps the change that I'm most excited about is official support for using sdboot instead of grub (something I have been manually configuring for the last 7 years): https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/cleanup_systemd_insta...

Man, I can remember the day grub replaced lilo.

I had just spent the past 2 years mastering lilo and thought on top of the world, and then suddenly this new fangled thing called grub came along with all its weird commands and sytanx.

It's been what, 20 years now? I finally feel comfortable with grub. And now you're telling me there's a new kid on the block? sdboot?

I'm too old to learn another bootloader. Maybe I should go back and dig and old copy of Debian Potato or Woody and stick to that...

Re: Fedora 39 Released

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Post by aljgz »

I just had my unexpectedly smoothest OS major version upgrade.

My desktop is a tricky machine, set up by myself, with all the usual troublemakers: Nvidia 4090, External Audio interface, multiple monitors, many different development, gaming and productivity tools, entire drive LUKS encryption, dual boot with Windows 11 pro, etc. I'm using KDE, BTW.

I upgraded to Fedora 39 using dnf-system-upgrade, and it went flawlessly.

In my 20 years of handling computers, this is the first time with a tricky computer. Even the work's MBP M1 had problems with some third-party software when upgrading. I had similarly good experiences with my Framework laptop, but that was expected.

This anecdote causes me to feel much better about Linux on desktop.

Kudos to the Fedora team for maintaining one of the last remaining products I can fully trust.

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