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Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

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Post by newscracker »

Tomte wrote: post #94
Beijinger wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So everything with their service has to be done through their apps." What sane person would do this? Use infomaniak instead (Switzerland). Tuta seems to be a German company. There is another one, I forgot the name but a few friends of mine were using it. I used google, could not find it but I am actually surprised that there are many providers. E.g. https://www.qualityhosting.de/hosted-exchange/hosted-exchang... htt…

Posteo locks you in. They deliberately don't allow your own domain, and they lie about their reason, claiming privacy: "No. We are an email provider with a particular, privacy-oriented model – and this is not compatible with incorporating own domains."

Your citation is cut off and doesn’t show why Posteo says it won’t support this..I’m pasting the entire answer from Posteo on this topic [1] here:

> Can I use Posteo with my own domains?

> “No. We are an email provider with a particular, privacy-oriented model – and this is not compatible with incorporating own domains. One of our emphases is data economy: we do not collect any user information (names, addresses, etc) of our customers. We always answer requests from authorities for user information in the negative. On the other hand, own domains need to be registered to the name and address of a person. If you were able to use own domains with us, this would affect the entire concept of Posteo: we would need to start saving user information for all customers who use their own domains with us – and to provide these to the Federal Network Agency to be provided on request to the authorities. Even if only the MX record pointed to us, we would still need to store the assignment of the domain in your Posteo account as user information. Thus we would possess your user information and be required to give it out. For this reason, we have decided not to offer this possibility and instead to use data economy.”

Whether this sounds fine or not and whether this is acceptable to someone or not is subjective.

[1]: https://posteo.de/en/site/faq

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

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Post by FireInsight »

qweqwe14 wrote: post #97
nargek wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes the alt-right paradise. "@hitler.rocks" and "@nuke.africa" are really nice domain to have :) The administrator of cock.lu also famously hosted with oVo systems some more than sketchy boards.

I'd personally love to have an E-Mail address ending with nuke.africa. If you can't understand that it's satirical/jokey, I feel bad for you. Some people are way too serious on the Internet. If you are offended by a bunch of words without proper context you really need to go outside. Also see this thread that discusses this at length: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33142122

The problem isn't "some people don't get that it's a joke". The problem is that it's a distasteful joke.

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

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Post by kermatt »

bob_fastmail wrote: post #60
Beijinger wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fastmail is supposed to be good. But you can just buy your own domain with Email hosting. It is free with gandi.net. Or use https://www.infomaniak.com/ Infomaniak also sells email hosting for around 20 Euro per year, they are based in Switzerland. If you have your own domain, just type the domain name as you would buy the domain and if the interface says domain taken, select email hosting (the three dots).

Just note that fastmail‘s search is basically useless if you expect Gmail-like search (unless I am missing some sort of trick to get it working). The rest of Fastmail is excellent though.

Why would someone expect a Gmail-like search when using not-Gmail?

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

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Post by Tomte »

newscracker wrote: post #111
Tomte wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Posteo locks you in. They deliberately don't allow your own domain, and they lie about their reason, claiming privacy: "No. We are an email provider with a particular, privacy-oriented model – and this is not compatible with incorporating own domains."

Your citation is cut off and doesn’t show why Posteo says it won’t support this..I’m pasting the entire answer from Posteo on this topic [1] here: > Can I use Posteo with my own domains? > “No. We are an email provider with a particular, privacy-oriented model – and this is not compatible with incorporating own domains. One of our emphases is data economy: we do not collect any user information (names, addresses, etc…

> On the other hand, own domains need to be registered to the name and address of a person.

So let the user decide. They can use non-de domains, they can use privacy shielding services.

Posteo doesn't need any real name or address to put a domain in their mail configuration. That whole part is just more lies.

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

#116

Post by Beijinger »

mk89 wrote: post #99
Beijinger wrote: post #90

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"But hey, "open source all things" have decided I must use 4 products from 4 different providers to send an receive emails so that I am "safe"." Depends. For my mother? She is fine with gmail. But an IT savvy person should consider having their own email domain. And why not host your own rss reader and a few other things. It is rarely a good idea to buy this out of one hand. So domain registrar (e.g. internet.bs ), e…

> But an IT savvy person should consider having their own email domain. Having email domain is different than hosting your own email servers. And even that - why would I care so much? There are plenty of articles here on HN of people telling how hard it is to host your own email servers. Plus, tech-savvy doesn't mean I want to waste 2 hours a week updating managing servers etc., while I could maybe learn ... "Flutter…

I said buy email as a hosted service. I consider myself IT savvy but I am not a CS guy. I tried hosting my own email before and I can assure you, if you are not absolutely sure you know what you are doing (inc. spam, greylisting, blacklisting etc.). DONT DO IT. I would possibly even be impossible to send email to services like t-online if you really host your own email.

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

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Post by CuriousCosmic »

stevage wrote: post #70
Beijinger wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"So everything with their service has to be done through their apps." What sane person would do this? Use infomaniak instead (Switzerland). Tuta seems to be a German company. There is another one, I forgot the name but a few friends of mine were using it. I used google, could not find it but I am actually surprised that there are many providers. E.g. https://www.qualityhosting.de/hosted-exchange/hosted-exchang... htt…

>What sane person would do this? I use Gmail, and have exclusively used the web app and Android app to access it, for, what, 15 years? I don't think it's insane, if those apps work well.

But even with gmail, they give you the option to use your own apps because they support standard protocols that you can use to sync your emails.

For E2EE email it's a bit different because most of the standard protocols don't work out of the box but it's very clear that whatever system Tuta uses works locally or they wouldn't have anything but a web app.

I'm not saying don't prioritise your apps, I just want to be able to mutt and send in patches easily. And my grandparents want to use their outlook because it's what they know how to use.

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

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Post by nargek »

NOWHERE_ wrote: post #98
nargek wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ah yes the alt-right paradise. "@hitler.rocks" and "@nuke.africa" are really nice domain to have :) The administrator of cock.lu also famously hosted with oVo systems some more than sketchy boards.

Where can I read more about the sketchy boards hosted by the admin?

As stated by Le Monde[1] Kohlchan was hosted on OvO Systems, which was owned by Vincent Canfield. If you can't read the end of the article due to the paywall, you can use the reader mode of Firefox. You can also see that cock.li is hosted on OvO Systems on the footer.

[1] https://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2019/10/11/derriere-l-...

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

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Post by nusl »

bob_fastmail wrote: post #60
Beijinger wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fastmail is supposed to be good. But you can just buy your own domain with Email hosting. It is free with gandi.net. Or use https://www.infomaniak.com/ Infomaniak also sells email hosting for around 20 Euro per year, they are based in Switzerland. If you have your own domain, just type the domain name as you would buy the domain and if the interface says domain taken, select email hosting (the three dots).

Just note that fastmail‘s search is basically useless if you expect Gmail-like search (unless I am missing some sort of trick to get it working). The rest of Fastmail is excellent though.

Can’t say I’ve had many issues with Fastmail search at all. Google is known for search so they would naturally prevail for some searches, but Fastmail does just fine.

Re: Tutanota is now Tuta

#120

Post by unixhero »

tharne wrote: post #106
unixhero wrote: post #64

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You can slap PGP on top Presto

You can do this with any email. What's your point? The reason for the rise of email providers advertising encrypted email is because PGP is a pain for most people to use and never saw widespread adaption among regular users.

My point is still true
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