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Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by BirAdam »

fsckboy wrote: post #65
Daz1 wrote: post #6

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> Why are people so vehemently oppose to being shown ads that are actually relevant to them on ad-supported platforms? speaking only for myself, two reasons: 1. they don't show me relevant ads. I would honestly fill out surveys for them to show me relevant ads, but they still won't, just like Netflix and Amazon won't restrain themselves from showing me the same screens full of movies and TV that I will never watch. I…

The one about pop is funny. I am quite fond of Pepsi Zero Sugar, and it’s the only one I don’t personally see ads for. Weird. Never thought of it until you mentioned it. I seriously see ads for Starry and Coke constantly.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by BirAdam »

jurynulifcation wrote: post #87
vivekd wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I donno, I know I'm in the minority but I agree with the parent. Facebook isn't going to people's homes and rifling through drawers. They're using information people willigly share in their profiles. They're not selling personally identifiable information. They're selling generalized group info on categories people fall into for targeted ads. I don't understand how this is a privacy violation or unethical. Especially…

lmao no, you're either misinformed or a bad actor. when they start tracking me through services they don't own, when they retain data on me indefinitely and purchase other data sources to do entity resolution, when they refuse to let me see what they have on me and refuse to let me set policies on what I'm comfortable with them having, when they partner with Walmart and CCTV providers to spy on me as I go throughout…

They also build profiles on people who do not have Facebook accounts, and in that case they were absolutely never given consent.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by CapsAdmin »

Daz1 wrote: post #6

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Perhaps a long shot analogy, but let's say there is a trend to plan ahead and write everything you need to buy in the grocery store on a piece of paper. It works very well, shopping become more efficient and you don't end up with items you didn't plan for.

The grocery store doesn't like this and want to start making it illegal to enter the store with any notes.

Their argument is that they have laid out the store in such a way that it expects people to get distracted and buy things they don't need, so planning your trip to the grocery store harms their current way of doing things.

To me at least, this sounds insane and extremely arbitrary. Arbitrary because it __feels like__ I can just keep the list of notes in my head instead. It also __feels like__ I'm being denied behaving in a certain way.

Perhaps it's a personality trait, but when something is this contrived it's easy to feel vehemently opposed to this.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by omarfarooq »

Auracle wrote: post #109
omarfarooq wrote: post #97

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Source that dissects this?

I always doubt anyone who sees 'bots' everywhere they go, but I agree with them on the groups part. https://old.reddit.com/r/ShitMomGroupsSay/ regularly has some good examples. Ironically, I've posted there a couple of times in a way that (barely) went against their own groupthink and got downvoted like crazy.

I wonder how much of these are powered by GPT.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by mongol »

vivekd wrote: post #108
batch12 wrote: post #104

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That's not exactly true. Using tracking pixels and third-party scripts and cookies, it's simple to track you as a unique entity. No logon necessary. A step further- associating this entity with your identity is trivial with access to additional information. For example, a tagged photo or contact info uploaded by the friend or family member who uses the same networks or devices you do. Maybe you have yourself sufficie…

Well first if tracking and selling data on non-registered users really is that trivial then the issue isn't Facebook it's every website that could be doing this. Second more importantly privacy seems to be a watchword for tech people. Maybe people claim to care about the sort of privacy you are talking about when asked but their actions speak different. People use Facebook, google maps, leave location data on on thei…

People do lots of things in lack of better options. Some things are too big or complex for an individual to change themselves, and people choose the less bad option, and live with the unwanted consequences.

But through democracy, they can elect politicians that can create laws to give authorities tools to assert leverage. This is what we see in action here.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by jurynulifcation »

vivekd wrote: post #108
batch12 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not exactly true. Using tracking pixels and third-party scripts and cookies, it's simple to track you as a unique entity. No logon necessary. A step further- associating this entity with your identity is trivial with access to additional information. For example, a tagged photo or contact info uploaded by the friend or family member who uses the same networks or devices you do. Maybe you have yourself sufficie…

Well first if tracking and selling data on non-registered users really is that trivial then the issue isn't Facebook it's every website that could be doing this. Second more importantly privacy seems to be a watchword for tech people. Maybe people claim to care about the sort of privacy you are talking about when asked but their actions speak different. People use Facebook, google maps, leave location data on on thei…

Yeah I really don't care about other people's preferences and actions. I care about the fact that Facebook is stalking me through avenues I don't consent to. I care about privacy. My actions match my preferences. They're creepy stalkers for trying to follow everyone as hard as they try to. I'm not saying government should be involved. I'm saying we should fucking stop inviting adtech workers to Thanksgiving and birthday parties. We should make them outcasts for being creepy fucking stalkers.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by NorwegianDude »

janosdebugs wrote: post #86
make_it_sure wrote: post #77

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US companies need to pay VAT when they sell to EU customers and EU companies don't pay VAT when they sell to US customers, so that can't be the reason.

There is sales tax for US too, so where you are located does not really mater. Companies outside US pays sales tax in the US.

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by esafak »

BirAdam wrote: post #111
fsckboy wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why are people so vehemently oppose to being shown ads that are actually relevant to them on ad-supported platforms? speaking only for myself, two reasons: 1. they don't show me relevant ads. I would honestly fill out surveys for them to show me relevant ads, but they still won't, just like Netflix and Amazon won't restrain themselves from showing me the same screens full of movies and TV that I will never watch. I…

The one about pop is funny. I am quite fond of Pepsi Zero Sugar, and it’s the only one I don’t personally see ads for. Weird. Never thought of it until you mentioned it. I seriously see ads for Starry and Coke constantly.

Isn't that the right choice for the advertisers? Pepsi knows you're in the bag and Coke wants to change your mind.

Try drinking Coke for a year to see if the advertisers flip :)

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by lazycouchpotato »

analog31 wrote: post #40
tentacleuno wrote: post #16

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> Data which then can be used for purpose we didnt accept in the first place. The obvious counter-argument is that, somewhere in the 100(+?)-page ToS, User Agreement, EULA, Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy documentation, you did. We really need to make new laws to force companies to explain, in plain (terse) English, what they're doing with our data -- everyone knows nobody reads those documents.

They gather data on me, even if I didn't sign up for their service.

For people looking for more information on this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_profile

Re: Norwegian ban on Meta behavioral advertising extended to entire EU

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Post by xp84 »

neontomo wrote: post #98

Context from the Norwegian article: Meta promised to ask users whether they want to opt-in, but they never did, so now they are banning these behaviours until they have come up with a better way of handling this. Furthermore, Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal.

> Meta wanted those who opt-out of data sharing to have to pay money, which is most likely not legal.

I really don't get this attitude. I 100% endorse everyone's right to uninstall every Meta app and never use them, and to block their on-page trackers on third-party websites with an adblocker, all that. But the notion that there should be some sort of EU-protected "Right To Use Facebook For Free"... nah. Using the apps inherently shares data with the company whose servers you're using. Don't like it, that's fine, there's only one correct recourse: Don't use it.

Also, if Facebook's users were all paying for it (and all its competitors), there would be no advertising on it, and incentives in social media would be aligned much better. The government which requires companies to provide their service "for free" would be actively working against that better world by pushing the ad-supported model, which they clearly hate, as the only one.

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