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California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by freedomben »

xyst wrote: post #81

TxDMV needs to follow this. Fuck these companies. They are testing their garbage in dense urban areas. Too many times their vehicles just stop in the middle of the road. If it rains, vehicle stops. If the light is out, vehicle panics and stops. Somebody puts a cone on the hood, vehicle panics. If a single variable not accounted for in their algorithms shifts beyond expected range, it fucking panics. So much money dum…

Do you think the potential future where humans are freed from doing anything for their transportation (no driving, no pedaling, no steering, no danger, no waiting in traffic, etc) is worth some short term pain while we develop the tech? Was the pain and suffering during the industrial revolution days that have led to our current high tech world worth it? (I'm not just asking this rhetorically, I'm really interested in what you or somebody who agrees with you thinks about these things).

Alternatively if you reject the premise of those questions that this is a necessary phase to pass through to get to the other side, what do you think the impact on progress would be if no "real world" training opportunities were allowed for these companies? Do you think they'd be hampered and progress would take longer, and what would the impact of that be?

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by ralferoo »

wstrange wrote: post #71

Link to Cruise review of incident: https://getcruise.com/news/blog/2023/a-detailed-review-of-th...

Reading this, it rather seems like the AV wasn't at fault in the accident itself and handled itself well. However, after coming to a complete stop, while the pedestrian was still on the ground in front of it, it then started again and drove into the pedestrian and continued for another 20 feet pushing the pedestrian along (and presumably under) the car. They say it did this to leave the car in a safe place, but this differs drastically from a normal driver who'd get out and look round the vehicle before moving it anywhere.

I'd say the initial hit probably did a chunk of damage to the pedestrian, but quite likely not fatal unless their head hit the ground. But then being driven over and dragged 20 feet is going to be pretty scary and in all likelihood cause more serious injuries than the initial impact.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by tempsy »

wstrange wrote: post #71

Link to Cruise review of incident: https://getcruise.com/news/blog/2023/a-detailed-review-of-th...

"A dark colored Nissan Sentra was stopped in the adjacent lane to the left of the AV. When the light turned green, the Nissan Sentra and the AV entered the intersection. Against a red light, a pedestrian entered the crosswalk on the opposite side of Market Street across from the vehicles, passed completely through the AV’s lane of travel, then stopped mid-crosswalk in front of the Nissan Sentra. The Nissan Sentra then tragically struck and propelled the pedestrian into the path of the AV."

So there was this woman crossing a crosswalk in front of these two cars when she shouldn't have. I guess I don't understand why neither car stopped in front of the crosswalk when they saw this woman in the middle of the crosswalk (illegally).

IMO it was a bit aggressive for Cruise to have seen this woman jaywalking and still crossed the crosswalk after detecting that the woman had just passed the car but still in the middle of the crosswalk.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by pj_mukh »

moneycantbuy wrote: post #99
wstrange wrote: post #71

Link to Cruise review of incident: https://getcruise.com/news/blog/2023/a-detailed-review-of-th...

Currently, the human driver responsible for the incident is still at large I welcome our robot overlords.

Amen.

Really wish there was a way for tech (especially new AI tech) to wholesale abandon the city. Even just move south to the actual Silicon Valley. The city picking winners and losers like this is untenable

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by starttoaster »

skyyler wrote: post #88
ravenstine wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is being able to read a book during your commute without getting assaulted or robbed.

Can't you do that in most countries with public transit?

> without getting assaulted or robbed.

I think is the qualifier the other user put in to disqualify public transit. But yes, ideally.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by hbrav »

ravenstine wrote: post #86
reset2023 wrote: post #69

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The point is being able to read a book during your commute without getting assaulted or robbed.

The phenomenon of viewing public transit as somewhere that you'll be assaulted or robbed is an incredible indictment of the US. I don't know how true it is though.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by HDThoreaun »

vel0city wrote: post #77

Will California ban all human drivers next? After all, the pedestrian was first hit by a human driver, and was probably the but for cause.

the Cruise dragged her 20 feet and rolled over her leg though. Obviously this is mainly the other drivers fault, but self driving cars need to be able to react properly to unexpected scenarios. A reasonable human driver would not have continued driving with a person trapped under the car.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by klyrs »

hristov wrote: post #85
cryptoz wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something like 30,000 Americans alone are killed every year in car accidents. I think the primary idea is to reduce the constant death on the road by making machines that are safer at driving than humans. The toll that car accidents have on society is honestly unconscionable.

That is a good point. A secondary benefit, is a self driving car can literally give most workers that commute about an hour per day of their lives back. For some people it will be two to three hours.

If your favorite hobby is sitting by yourself, strapped to a chair, sure, you get your time back. But the reason I'm allergic to commuting is that I prefer to spend time with my family.

Re: California suspends Cruise's autonomous vehicle deployment

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Post by Lonestar1440 »

From my perspective as a person who lives in San Francisco and also drives a LOT (10-20k miles per year, and many small drives within the city): Cruise cars do not perform acceptably.

They manage to avoid collisions by driving extremely conservatively, but the way they traverse, say, a left turn against traffic is absurd. They slow everyone down, including emergency vehicles and public transit, by performing far below the level of most Human drives.

They don't work in the rain, they can't handle construction, they block garages and driveways.

Waymo vehicles are objectively far better. They drive like Humans do. Still some issued with weather and construction, but they work well alongside busses, trucks, and private cars without slowing anyone down.

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