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Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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Oh definitely, it's more annoying than anything. I can sympathize with genuine causes but cheap potshots like whataboutism is just such a cynical means.

Pointing out hypocrisy is not "whataboutism" it's just simply pointing out hypocrisy. This "whataboutism" was invented as a way to avoid uncomfortable comparisons, you can find a lot of stories in the west where if you replace Countryname with Russia and the story would sound plausible, here you go: "Russian whistleblower who uncovered that the Russian government spied on all of its people has fled to the US to avoid…

Which is why I asked, what does Julian Assange unfair arrest have to do with Russia, as this was and still is the topic of this thread, not a general discussion about unfair arrests.

And further more, there's nothing stopping you or anyone else from opening a thread here and now where we can discuss the topic of unfair arrests.

>This "whataboutism" was invented as a way to avoid uncomfortable comparisons

If I invented the term "whatboutism" I would've been proud how certain people over-dramatize it's invention.

Whataboutism is just a more proper word for the logical fallacy "Tu quoque" or appeal to hypocrisy, which is used to divert attention away from the original specific topic and instead try and force the topic to either be as broad and inconsequential as possible or to make us focus on this 'hypocrite' to avert attention away from the original specific topic.

>you can find a lot of stories in the west where if you replace Countryname with Russia and the story would sound plausible

The assertion that replacing one country's name with another creates a "plausible" story is just overly reductive.

It says nothing about the context nor the specific situations at hand, you're effectively flipping the concern at hand.

Where the origin of the story is more important than the actual evidence at hand.

Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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There are plenty of photos of russians bombing civilians, hospitals, Mariupol drama theater had "children" written in letters so big that they can be seen from space. Still bombed. Just few weeks ago a funeral was hit with a rocket, 50+ civilians dead. Let alone the constant attacks on civilian power and port infrastructure trying to freeze and famine not only Ukraine. This is just a completely ignorant take that the…

Why do you write Israeli, when it was Gaza’s who bombed their hospital themselves. Like other autocracies tend to do to their citizens, by not valuing their lives.

Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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There are plenty of photos of russians bombing civilians, hospitals, Mariupol drama theater had "children" written in letters so big that they can be seen from space. Still bombed. Just few weeks ago a funeral was hit with a rocket, 50+ civilians dead. Let alone the constant attacks on civilian power and port infrastructure trying to freeze and famine not only Ukraine. This is just a completely ignorant take that the…

Why do you write Israeli, when it was Gaza’s who bombed their hospital themselves. Like other autocracies tend to do to their citizens, by not valuing their lives.

It was pretty clear from the context that the person I replied to was referring to israeli air strikes against Gaza.

I have no doubt hamas is a terrorist organization who don't give a crap about any civilians, be it Gazans or not.

Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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They’ll give you that notice only if you post something about Ukraine. Otherswise it’s all good.

So the original comment that stated that this kind of news are out of hacker news suggested topics (as there’s nothing techie here, and it’s all political) gotten removed. I wonder why. I agree it’s entirely irrelevant to the subject of the forum.

Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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Why do people keep pushing archive.ph/.is? The site is infamous for putting people into constant captcha check hell.

Because this website bypasses paywalls and loginwalls - it has accounts for a lot of the social media websites, so you don't see a generic "Login to see this page" but the actual contents.

You can’t use it if you are using CloudFlare DNS.

Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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Why do you write Israeli, when it was Gaza’s who bombed their hospital themselves. Like other autocracies tend to do to their citizens, by not valuing their lives.

It was pretty clear from the context that the person I replied to was referring to israeli air strikes against Gaza. I have no doubt hamas is a terrorist organization who don't give a crap about any civilians, be it Gazans or not.

Sorry, didn’t get that. Thanks for the clarification, I reread the comment you’ve replied to and it’s now clear them trying to whitewash terrorists (Russia and Hamas), while blaming the victims.

Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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What has allowed the Russian state to treat him with such a degree of cruelty is the war with Ukraine. News of his arrest, imprisonment, and treatment in jail were overshadowed by those of another airstrike on a civilian population. Not to mention, it sent a clear message to internal opposition that those willing to act against the state would face not just legal hurdles but also tyranny and physical violence.

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The conflict of the week has not resulted in more war crimes than the 600 day - week long special operation.

Re: Alexei Navalny's lawyers are arrested

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Still, people tend to value their life higher than their relevance - I mean, in the West he could have probably lived a comfortable life writing books and articles, working as a TV expert on Russia etc. I also respect his decision, but seeing that the powers that be already tried to kill him once, the chances of him returning to Russia and not being arrested were even lower than 1% I would say...

> Still, people tend to value their life higher than their relevance That's exactly what sets rare individuals like Navalny apart: that what they believe in, what they stand for, weighs heavier than their personal well-being.

Yeah, he wants the same Russian empire as Putin, but with less corruption.
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