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Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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> Aren't your Kagi searches tied to a payment method? Kagi accepts Bitcoin [1]. They also “do not log searches or in any way tie them to an account” [2]. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/plans/payment-methods.html [2] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/privacy/privacy-protection.html

They also “do not log searches or in any way tie them to an account”. So you essentially have to make the same leap of faith as you would with a commercial VPN.

Yes, although if you think about it a bit:

With a VPN you're hoping there's no logs at all, and it's pretty easy for a VPN vendor - entirely by accident - to keep some logs around. And then a search warrant lands, they look around, find the logs, and the promise is broken. And it's entirely possible for that to happen by accident. So if I pay for a commercial VPN that claims they don't keep logs, I'm gambling on their honesty and competency.

With a search engine you're hoping they don't bias search results to favour advertisers, sell your search results to advertisers, etc. And that's not something you can really do by accident. If Kagi is being honest, then they're not accepting money to modify search results, nor are they logging my searches, or building up a profile of my searches, or modifying seearch results based on that profile, etc. Even if it turned out Kagi goofed and really were logging all my searches and tying them to my payment account (maybe, eg, for perfectly innnocent reasons, like solving a bug), that doesn't actually change their value proposition to me all. They're either super evil and lying about everything they're doing, or they're fine, even if it turns out they're cutting a couple of corners.

Kagi is putting themselves in a position which is inherently easier to trust than a VPN vendor (or early Google), due to the nature of the business model.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Kagi seems cool to me and I appreciate what they’re doing but I’ve been using DDG for years now and find myself falling back to Google less and less. It has improved quite a bit for my personal use and I can’t imagine spending $100/year+ for search. I’d be game if it was a little less.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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post #80

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Hm.. I just tried that search for my town and the first result was correct. Wonder what happened.

It's not necessarily about the top result. It's about the top 20-30 results.

I only looked at the first 15 or so for my town and they were almost all relevant. Maybe city name dependent?

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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Narrator: They won't. I upgraded my subscription a few weeks ago because I blew past the first tier's limits. Kagi kinda fills the Neeva-sized hole in my heart.

Kagi doesn't need to win, and they know that. Kagi just has to focus on serving a tiny percentage of Google power users in order to be profitable and induce Google search to compete.

I wish Neeva knew that too but ah well. I feel like a lot of people on here share the mindset that unless Google can be demolished, there’s no point in being a competitor…which is, a dumb take IMHO.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

#117

I really can't make clear enough how good Kagi is. I've tried all the competing emerging search engines as they've had their 5 minutes of fame. They don't compare to kagi. it's the first google rip and replace I've ever tried. Pony up the $10 a month and put your money where your mouth is on "let's pay for products instead of being sold to advertisers."

Ten dollars a month!? Ha ha ha, no.

Cheaper than my latte habit. Nothing wrong with paying software devs if you can afford to.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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What I love about Kagi is that I never find myself needing Google. Years ago when I tried out DDG, I found myself appending !g to every query, and I thought that Google Search would always have a place in my life, but Kagi results are _so_ good. So, once YouTube has a viable replacement I might be able to delete my Google account.

Not ideal but I use Invidious and redirect any Youtube search results to my Invidious instance. Go to Kagi settings -> advanced --> Redirects and add

  https://www.youtube.com/watch\?v=(.*)|https://yt.oelrichsgarcia.de/watch\?v=$1
I use my own Invidious instance. yt.oelrichsgarcia.de is from https://docs.invidious.io/instances/#list-of-public-invidiou...

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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post #27

I should probably add in that kagi has some secret modes. If you precede the search query with `!expert` you get an LLM search response. If you precede it with `!code` you get a GPT-4-ish tuned response. It’s… really good. And since you can do it from a browser bar if you make it your default browser, I find myself reaching for !expert at least 50% as often as ChatGPT these days. Also, it’s extremely good with citati…

"We are rolling Kagi Assistant beta for all our current Ultimate plan members (new Ultimate plan users will be onboarded daily). Assistant includes four dynamic AI modes - Research, Code, Chat, and Custom - powered by cutting-edge language models like GPT-4 and Claude-2 (on the Ultimate plan), all in one package. Stay tuned, as we plan to make the Assistant available to all members in the coming weeks." [1] 1: https:…

> The Kagi Ultimate Plan provides the premier Kagi experience. The plan costs $25/month.

I assume there can't be anything beyond ultimate.

Re: Kagi finally let me lay Google Search to rest

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post #18

I switched on Oct 3. I was beginning to see way too much of these weird domain name mirrors of things in Google Search instead of the real things and I was reading Doctorow on Google's enshittification and I said "OK, enough of this". I guess it's time to move Google Drive and Gmail as well. The latter is probably fastmail but where to put the Google Drive files? It's like 2TB.

I have moved my files to a managed Nextcloud instance. Important to me is Linux support and Nextcoud works better for me than the alternatives.
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