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Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by throw4847285 »

krmboya wrote: post #36
csmpltn wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Nobel prize is awarded by a committee of (largely) Judeo-Christian westerners, in a western country. Equivalent awards given out by dictatorships or theocracies around the world can be just as easily seen through the same lens of hypocrisy and cynicism.

Can the West still be characterized as Judeo-christian? Western culture seems largely liberal at this point with the more religious people being lumped to the right wing. It is said many churches/cathedrals in Europe are now appreciated more for their historical value than as places of worship

The word Judeo-Christian is often used to refer to exactly that kind of secularized Christian morality which undergirds the post-Enlightenment west. It became popular as a means to combat anti-Semitism in America, by arguing that Jews and Christians (and nobody else) shared some kind of common moral framework which so happens to be what the United States was built on.

The problem is, if you asked Jews 200 years prior about "Judeo-Christian values" they would have laughed you out of the ghetto. It's solely the product of an assimilating Jewish population trying to make a claim to American identity, like Italian Americans and Columbus Day. It's also totally entangled in debates about Zionism, as Judeo-Christian comes to mean "Abrahamic but not Muslim." Actually, you hear Abrahamic get used more often as Muslims in America stake a similar claim to America.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by mhuffman »

binarymax wrote: post #103

It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

>Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

Here's a hot take -- I think all the Nobel Prizes, not just the Peace Price are politicized, corrupt, pop-culture-ish, and basically just in-group accolades! Similar to the Academy Awards.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by alephnerd »

archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

> more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government

"[t]he recipient is selected by the Norwegian Nobel Committee, a five-member committee appointed by the Parliament of Norway. Since 2020 the prize is awarded in the Atrium of the University of Oslo" [0]

The winners are basically selected by a subset of retired Norwegian MPs, and even Alfred Nobel's living heir has become opposed to the politicization of the Nobel Peace Price [1]. So it's reflecting the values of a subset of the Norwegian elite

The comment above should NOT be viewed as a rejection of Narges Mohammadi's work.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize

[1] - https://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/i/wP6y1/i-strid-med-nobe...

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by Theodores »

archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

If I remember correctly, Saudi Arabia and Iran struck a peace deal this year, brokered with Chinese help. We haven't heard about Yemen since.

Surely Xi Jinping, MBS and Khamenei deserve the award for actual peace?

Yeah, that is three people we are told to hate. But they achieved actual peace.

Instead we get this Iranian woman that nobody had heard of before today.

Something is not right.

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by alephnerd »

csmpltn wrote: post #24
archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

The Nobel prize is awarded by a committee of (largely) Judeo-Christian westerners, in a western country. Equivalent awards given out by dictatorships or theocracies around the world can be just as easily seen through the same lens of hypocrisy and cynicism.

> Judeo-Christian westerners, in a western country

No. Only a handful of elite Norwegians, as the committee is 5 former MPs selected by the Norwegian parliament.

Apartheid South Africa's leaders were Judeo-Christian westerners as well, but the award was given to their foe Nelson Mandela

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by sacrosancty »

tibbydudeza wrote: post #48
LindeBuzoGray wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also Iran in 1953 had a prime Minister Mosaddegh, who wanted to nationalize Iran's oil. The UK (and US) sought the support of right-wing mullahs, then overthrew the prime minister and replaced him with a dictator. Then the CIA helped SAVAK kill off the secular left for the next few decades. Eventually even the right-wing clerics and bazaari grew tired of foreign interference and threw the western powers out.

Or Chile where they overthrew an elected communist govt and they got Pinochet and the disappeared. But I am grateful for them helping Ukraine even if it for their own geopolitical goals.

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Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by demondemidi »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #2

The prize is supposedly awarded to those who have "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses." Hmmm. Well. I don't quite see how formenting revolution fits the bill, but the Peace Prize has been very strange of late in general. By its own lights, I don't see a single person or entity who would…

Fomenting

Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by demondemidi »

binarymax wrote: post #103

It would be nice if instead of everyone hating on the prize, we could take a moment and reflect. Think of what this woman and many other women trapped in these regimes are going through, the sacrifices they've made, and the bravery they show to try to make things better. Think the prize is politicized and corrupt? Whatever - it's not about you or your opinion.

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Re: Narges Mohammadi wins 2023 Nobel Peace Prize

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Post by alephnerd »

bluish29 wrote: post #45
archon1410 wrote: post #7

I feel the Nobel prize was less for fighting for women's rights, and more for fighting against an anti-American, anti-Western government. For some reason, I don't see the award ever going to a rights activist fighting against the Saudi, Pakistani, or any other American-allied regimes. I of course don't ever see it going to someone fighting against the American regime itself, and its mass surveillance and war crimes,…

My favorite Nobel peace prize goes to Abiy Ahmed who was awarded 2019 prize. He went to Sweden took the prize, deliver a speech then a couple of months later he went on a streak of atrocious in Ethiopia [1]. You name it ( mass killing, rape, genocide..etc). Also take into consideration that any head of state, prime minister or cabinet member in any government can nominate people for the prize (A lot of other people c…

> He went to Sweden took the prize

Norway

> So it would be always interesting to know who our governments officials nominated over time

There's a list of nominees [0].

The Pakistani Senate nominated Erdogan for this year's prize, for example [0].

That said, most nominations seem to be done by Norwegian MPs trying to message to their own constituents (eg. Abiy's nomination and the large Ethiopian diaspora voting bloc in Norway and Sweden) [1]

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Nobel_Peace_Prize

[1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/15/world/africa/ethiopia-abi...

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