Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras • Hacker News Board

Re: Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Post by nunez » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 12:18 AM UTC

drunner wrote: post #2

I mean, any security camera that does anything with the cloud should never make it onto a recommendation list in the first place. I'm not sure if the product exists, but something that replicates a homemade setup would be amazing. Think of a bundled camera(s) + raspberry pi + 1tb backup drive or whatever that you can only access over your own dedicated personal wireguard vpn (or tailscale, something like that), but s…

I mean, you’re not wrong, but the family of five that just moved into $SUBURB and demands max safety for some reason is definitely not gonna do all of that and will just buy Ring or Arlo.

Re: Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Post by bootsmann » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 9:51 AM UTC

mistrial9 wrote: post #86

bootsmann wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An IP camera that requires the customer to set-up and secure outside access themselves will not sell to end users. The market is just too small and anyone who has the skills to secure this stuff themselves doesn't have to rely on a consumer grade product.

your certainty is not based on reality.. "pet rocks" sold millions; BetaMax failed; great movies went unwatched, where stupid schlock got paid. Markets are not predictable entirely at all.

This is an established market, we are looking at the the survivors. It's reasonable to assume that a product we come up with within 5 minutes has been tried and didn't make the cut.

Re: Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Post by ndsipa_pomu » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 10:10 AM UTC

wombat-man wrote: post #110

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #79

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Well, look who's just made themselves a major target for hackers

they're going to see so many cat stretches

I just hope they follow the protocol of saying "big stretch" each time they see one

Re: Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Post by vorpalhex » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 5:19 PM UTC

joshstrange wrote: post #102

vorpalhex wrote: post #100

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Your wifi network probably isn't VLAN'd away from your hardwired network. It's all the same IP space. You can check your NVR from your phone on wifi right?

Ok but first people have to break into my wifi network. It'd be easier to break into my house unless it's a nation state actor which is not a threat risk I'm prepared to sacrifice enough to defend against. Also, my cameras are not on my main network, they are plugged directly into the NVR via long ethernet runs, they don't touch my main network. You are guessing that the NVR might have hardcoded credentials (which ha…

Wifi is really trivial to break into and doesn't leave meaningful traces unless you really do some enterprise monitoring stuff.

Unlike breaking into your window, you are unlikely to get the cops to do anything if someone breaches your network. There's also direct and indirect financial incentive.

So now your entire livestreaming security setup depends on the security of your wifi network, which can be broken with $20 of dedicated hardware.

And yeah, if someone puts hardcoded creds into their cameras.. they probably do it for all their firmware. It doesn't even have to be malicious, it's just a lazy way to test and debug software.

Re: Why We're Pulling Our Recommendation of Wyze Security Cameras

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Post by asdff » Thu, Sep 21, 2023, 10:35 PM UTC

breezeTrowel wrote: post #95

asdff wrote: post #64

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Raspberry Pis have been sold out forever. There are plenty of competent people buying hardware with the training wheels removed.

One of the reasons for them being sold out is a lot of the demand for Raspberry comes from industrial customers. For example, back in 2020, they made up 44% of total Raspberry Pi sales. Source: https://www.raspberrypi.com/news/supporting-raspberry-pis-in...

3.2 million users subscribed to the main raspberry pi subreddit alone. That shows there's a pretty good amount of users for a hardware product like this.