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Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”
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why is the CEO of sales force doing sales?? Is he firefighting? Why isnt he doing strategy, management and the other things CEOs do? Like hiring a CMO or BD head to do all the traveling he is doing? >Well, I’m a remote worker. I’ve always been a remote worker my whole life. I don’t work well in an office,” Benioff said. “It just doesn’t work for my personality. I can’t tell you why. I do love to go in to visit custom…
I know of one company who got the majority of their business because their CEO wined and dined some of his fellow CEOs and take them rides on his private aircraft. If Benioff is doing that sort of thing and enjoys it, more power to him Even on the less cynical side, there's something to be said for hearing from customers directly instead of filtered through 5 levels of middle management
Sales force has a market cap of 200 bn.
There is a lot that happens at that size - one of which you should have a trust worthy team who does exactly that; its why they get paid - leadership.
His is a Saas firm. This argument is inappropriate as a defense. You can do this a few times, the rest of the time he needs to be in office.
Failing which - like elon said - its an excuse to slack off.
So its either
1) odd sales situation 2) weasel worded sentence 3) delinquency - a la Elon “people who wfh are slacking”
It’s great if it’s 1 and he fixes it, but then he has to get back to office. In which case his “i dont have an office personality” line works against him.
Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”
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As soon as the accommodation strategy needs a refresh this changes. If you can reduce the office footprint you can save money. Bringing people in often means increasing the footprint post wfh. Wfh will win where it actually succeeds because it saves money. If it doesn't work then only companies that bring people in will succeed. My feeling is that about 75% of the non manual non hospitality economy will go WFH
>Wfh will win where it actually succeeds because it saves money. >If it doesn't work then only companies that bring people in will succeed. This implies fair competition between the two
financial competition.
Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”
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As soon as the accommodation strategy needs a refresh this changes. If you can reduce the office footprint you can save money. Bringing people in often means increasing the footprint post wfh. Wfh will win where it actually succeeds because it saves money. If it doesn't work then only companies that bring people in will succeed. My feeling is that about 75% of the non manual non hospitality economy will go WFH
Problem is that the board and investors are usually also heavily invested in commercial real estate, to the point where artificially propping it up is worth more to them than the company.
this is a good point - but transitory I think
Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”
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People get really defensive about remote work I guess? It wasn't just walking, there was also social isolation and being excluded that made it unbearable. And no real boundary between work and home. If you're doing an hour driving every day I can see why you'd prefer remote though.
Yeah, I'd like to come to your defense here. While I do prefer working from home, I totally get what you're saying about the routine of walking to work. I used to bike commute about 7 miles each way up and down some intense hills; it was part of my routine, and I had to do it. Now that I'm working from home, sure, I could go out and ride 15 miles every day, but it becomes a matter of discipline. Same with socializing…
Agree with all that but I know lots of people in suburbs who own dogs; I don’t think it’s exclusive to city people.
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ha 20 minutes. Some days I waited for the bus longer than that. I waited because in Sydney the bus is on-time about 15% of the time. If you miss it, you wait an extra hour. Not sure where you live, that's got a 20 min commute, but most people either live in a concrete prison to reduce the commute, or spend 2 hours a day on a bus/train. I do know this.. if you worked from home, you could get all that you've outlined,…
Sydney sucks. I’m in Melbourne and the train leaves every 5 minutes, takes me about 20 minutes to get to the cbd about 7km away. Rent is pretty affordable too.
25 min (maybe 30-40 if you include walking to and from station?) for 7km?
Seems like a bike or eBike would be a faster way to go? Melbourne climate is pretty temperate, no?
Re: Marc Benioff: “I don’t work well in an office”
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Sydney sucks. I’m in Melbourne and the train leaves every 5 minutes, takes me about 20 minutes to get to the cbd about 7km away. Rent is pretty affordable too.
25 min (maybe 30-40 if you include walking to and from station?) for 7km? Seems like a bike or eBike would be a faster way to go? Melbourne climate is pretty temperate, no?
It's viable, but I think over all it's a little bit less convenient when you have to mess around with the bike, lights, helmet, etc. My place is about a 3 minute walk from the station so it's basically just step out the door and on to the train and then I'm there.
I don't mind riding my bike around to the nearby shops on the weekend but usually its just most convenient to get places on foot or by PT. I only really do it for fun and fitness rather than it being the fastest way to get around.
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>People who work in an office or factory have to be rewarded for this commute. Last I checked, no one paid me" for my commute time or comp'd the wear on my vehicle. If those hours* spent in traffic should have been counted on the clock, then golly gee, I have invoices yo get written! Seriously, I get it. There should be something for it, but there never will be. Wage theft. Management will do anything possible to get…
Well, most people took the job as a being-in-the-office job (before the work from home took off). Which means you took the job + commute for that salary. If you then suddenly don't have to go to the office it's not such a stretch to think you could/should be paid less. As it's probably easier to hire someone to work remote than hire someone who has to go to the office, the salaries will probably over time be less for…
>Well, most people took the job as a being-in-the-office job (before the work from home took off). Which means you took the job + commute for that salary. If you then suddenly don't have to go to the office it's not such a stretch to think you could/should be paid less.
That does not follow. I quote you a salary sufficient to warrant me to work for you. You don't get to come back and demand that you should be able to pay me less when I no longer commute when I'm still working for you. Unless the physical presence in the office is absolutely essential (which it isn't for knowledge workers in the way it is for a stocker or laborer), and the tech exists where working remote is a reasonable accommodation (which it does), then you wanting me in the office to get the job done is now something on the table for me (the employee) to charge you, the employer extra for. In no way are you, (the employer) entitled to an extra discount because I'm not driving in. Nevermind that I don't offer one of those. Though I may to have to ruminate on it.
>It's funny how people feel so entitled to their salaries and that management is there to rip people off.
It's funny how companies feel entitled to their profits and that employees are there to rip them off.
A) People are free to set the price of their time.
B) Management is explicitly there to get the absolute most out of workers with the least input. Even if that means playing dirty, (hopefully not, but I've seen a lot of it). You can say their purpose is leadership, but I've been privy to what high level management types think leadership is, and unfortunately, it ain't leadership. I know leadership. Come from a family with a lot of military background. Civillian business management theory abandoned most facets of leadership in order to cut corners, and maximize value generation. Just look at the C-Suite-to-everyone else pay disparity to see the fruits of that.