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California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by johndhi »

fpgaminer wrote: post #106

I've been quite pleased with California and the CCPA thus far. I've submitted a few deletion requests a now, and despite my jadedness all but one went through without a hitch. I reported the one to the California AG and within two weeks the AG had followed up on it and forced the company to delete my data and the company fixed their processes. Color me slightly less jaded. Of course, it's all still a manual process.…

Couldn't disagree more as someone who works in tech and guides companies in complying with laws like this.

So expensive for so little real gain. We're spending more on making companies who don't use your data for anything nefarious (basically all companies outside of the advertising industry, if you even consider advertising nefarious) than we're spending on fixing climate change. Or preventing war. What a joke.

Edit: looks like this law applies specifically to self defined 'data brokers' (no one can find these entities IME and no one admits they are one) so at least it's somewhat targeted. Comment stands for CCPA and CPRA, which apply to all "businesses."

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by johndhi »

endisneigh wrote: post #107

I'm curious how this will work if we want to delete our data from this site. Will children posts be deleted, or will it just say [deleted]. Furthermore, if someone trains an AI on your data, does the AI have to be "untrained?" If not, I doubt this will have too much effect for some applications.

No untraining. But it can't go into the next round of training.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by whelp_24 »

johndhi wrote: post #111
fpgaminer wrote: post #106

I've been quite pleased with California and the CCPA thus far. I've submitted a few deletion requests a now, and despite my jadedness all but one went through without a hitch. I reported the one to the California AG and within two weeks the AG had followed up on it and forced the company to delete my data and the company fixed their processes. Color me slightly less jaded. Of course, it's all still a manual process.…

Couldn't disagree more as someone who works in tech and guides companies in complying with laws like this. So expensive for so little real gain. We're spending more on making companies who don't use your data for anything nefarious (basically all companies outside of the advertising industry, if you even consider advertising nefarious) than we're spending on fixing climate change. Or preventing war. What a joke. Edit…

Do you not feel privacy is worthwhile? Do you believe that these companies aren't collecting data for advertising reasons?

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

#114

Post by endisneigh »

johndhi wrote: post #112
endisneigh wrote: post #107

I'm curious how this will work if we want to delete our data from this site. Will children posts be deleted, or will it just say [deleted]. Furthermore, if someone trains an AI on your data, does the AI have to be "untrained?" If not, I doubt this will have too much effect for some applications.

No untraining. But it can't go into the next round of training.

how could that possibly be enforced though?

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by opteryology »

Vinnl wrote: post #108
dheera wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used OneRep for a while, but moved to Optery after finding OneRep seemed to be a bit shady.

What seemed shady about OneRep?

OneRep has affiliate partnerships with data brokers (https://imgur.com/a/juSC66b).

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by appplication »

johndhi wrote: post #111
fpgaminer wrote: post #106

I've been quite pleased with California and the CCPA thus far. I've submitted a few deletion requests a now, and despite my jadedness all but one went through without a hitch. I reported the one to the California AG and within two weeks the AG had followed up on it and forced the company to delete my data and the company fixed their processes. Color me slightly less jaded. Of course, it's all still a manual process.…

Couldn't disagree more as someone who works in tech and guides companies in complying with laws like this. So expensive for so little real gain. We're spending more on making companies who don't use your data for anything nefarious (basically all companies outside of the advertising industry, if you even consider advertising nefarious) than we're spending on fixing climate change. Or preventing war. What a joke. Edit…

It doesn’t cost much at all for companies to have infrastructure to delete user data. That’s just a cascading delete in any relational table. Poof, data gone in a single query. Sure, some systems are slightly more complex but deleting data is one of the easier challenges for any company to solve.

What costs money is companies trying to figure out how to work around legal requirements, obfuscate this option from users, or forcing them to go through support-intensive processes to delete their data rather than just building this like any other core automated business function.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by johndhi »

endisneigh wrote: post #114
johndhi wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No untraining. But it can't go into the next round of training.

how could that possibly be enforced though?

Hmm I guess the idea is you have a db of training data that you need to flow deletes into. That db contains personal information so you need to keep it up to date. The model itself, once trained, doesn't contain personal information hence no requirement to retrain it.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by johndhi »

appplication wrote: post #116
johndhi wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't disagree more as someone who works in tech and guides companies in complying with laws like this. So expensive for so little real gain. We're spending more on making companies who don't use your data for anything nefarious (basically all companies outside of the advertising industry, if you even consider advertising nefarious) than we're spending on fixing climate change. Or preventing war. What a joke. Edit…

It doesn’t cost much at all for companies to have infrastructure to delete user data. That’s just a cascading delete in any relational table. Poof, data gone in a single query. Sure, some systems are slightly more complex but deleting data is one of the easier challenges for any company to solve. What costs money is companies trying to figure out how to work around legal requirements, obfuscate this option from users…

This hasn't been my experience. Do you work in a large company? My experience has been that there are heaps and piles of data including (or potentially including, unstructured) personal information. And lots of reasons why complete deletion isn't possible - because certain other information nearby the personal information is necessary for business purposes (like submitting invoices), or because the person requesting deletion only wants part - not all - deleted, or because the database is structured such that deletion isn't feasible until next year when we roll onto a new technology, etc etc.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

#119

Post by johndhi »

whelp_24 wrote: post #113
johndhi wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't disagree more as someone who works in tech and guides companies in complying with laws like this. So expensive for so little real gain. We're spending more on making companies who don't use your data for anything nefarious (basically all companies outside of the advertising industry, if you even consider advertising nefarious) than we're spending on fixing climate change. Or preventing war. What a joke. Edit…

Do you not feel privacy is worthwhile? Do you believe that these companies aren't collecting data for advertising reasons?

Hi - good questions.

In general I think some privacy concerns are valid and others are not. Specifically I believe government surveillance is problematic and I wish there were more visibility and restrictions on it.

I do believe many companies are collecting data for reasons other than advertising. For example CRM tools (eg Salesforce) have heaps of personal information their customers store with them for a bunch of different reasons. It's really complex for them to comply with these laws - even though they aren't doing any advertising.

Re: California passes bill to make it easier to delete data from data brokers

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Post by fpgaminer »

johndhi wrote: post #111
fpgaminer wrote: post #106

I've been quite pleased with California and the CCPA thus far. I've submitted a few deletion requests a now, and despite my jadedness all but one went through without a hitch. I reported the one to the California AG and within two weeks the AG had followed up on it and forced the company to delete my data and the company fixed their processes. Color me slightly less jaded. Of course, it's all still a manual process.…

Couldn't disagree more as someone who works in tech and guides companies in complying with laws like this. So expensive for so little real gain. We're spending more on making companies who don't use your data for anything nefarious (basically all companies outside of the advertising industry, if you even consider advertising nefarious) than we're spending on fixing climate change. Or preventing war. What a joke. Edit…

> which apply to all "businesses."

It only applies to businesses that make over $25 mil, or that are in the business of selling user data.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Consumer_Privacy_Ac...)

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