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Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by e93849 »

endisneigh wrote: post #17

If you want privacy guarantees do not install or use anything connected to the internet. Even HN - with stylometry and a motivated actor it's easy to correlate your username here with any other publicly written text. An even more motivated actor could do this with privately written text (you know, all of those data breaches). Stay offline for your safety. This is obviously unrealistic for many in the modern era. So n…

Apple collects your data for the same reason Google & Meta do: to sell ads. The only thing Apple is better at is PR.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by GeekyBear »

doublerabbit wrote: post #76
edgyquant wrote: post #69

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Who brought google up? They aren’t relevant to the discussion.

How are they not relevant. They suck data from you for money. Exactly what Twitter, Microsoft and Amazon do too.

When Google started bragging to it's advertising customers that it now buys a copy of everyone's credit/debit card transaction data, that was my personal bridge too far.

> as Google said in a blog post on its new service for marketers, it has partnered with “third parties” that give them access to 70 percent of all credit and debit card purchases.

https://www.technologyreview.com/2017/05/25/242717/google-no...

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by sumeno »

dazc wrote: post #109
goalieca wrote: post #71

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Apple does not have a tracking pixel on half the popular web. Apple's main source of income is through luxury hardware and subscription services. Facebook sells your information and attention to willing buyers.

'Apple's main source of income is through luxury hardware and subscription services.' So why not keep it that way? I understand the temptation of veering from the path of 'do no evil' but Apple are not exactly short of revenue? Apple, Google and Meta are currently all three sides of the same coin. Take your pick but don't claim any virtue for doing so.

> So why not keep it that way?

Because capitalism incentivizes unsustainable growth at all costs.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by toastal »

soperj wrote: post #93
toastal wrote: post #55

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Unless you go the custom ROM + microG option that 98% of folks would never do… or you embrace the Linux phone OS which has no ‘apps’ (like that banking app that banned you for rooting your other Linux (Android) phone) & the telephony barely works if it even does. This duopoly sucks.

I just use my banking website from my phone. Why install apps?

My bank is detecting Netscape Navigator 4 & you better bet it’s a horrible experience for small viewports, & generally a buggy experience altogether (scoping other sites in my country, they are all just as bad).

This is also presupposing the Google doesn’t get its Web Environment Integrity (WEI) initiative foisted upon us allowing the banks to do the same sketchy attestation that they can do with apps from the browser--meaning they could deny you from running an alternative OS, disabling TPM/Pluton/Secure Boot, to having admin/root access like they block it on phones for dubious reasons.

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Post by GeekyBear »

soperj wrote: post #89
doublerabbit wrote: post #76

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How are they not relevant. They suck data from you for money. Exactly what Twitter, Microsoft and Amazon do too.

And Apple now with their ad business. How are they fundamentally different?

Advertising doesn't require that you relentlessly spy on users, it's just more profitable if you do so.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by sumeno »

epistasis wrote: post #106
paulryanrogers wrote: post #97

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Sorry if the implication wasn't obvious. Once they sell B2C services it's just a matter of time before that too becomes ad supported, then your data (or at least eye balls) are for sale.

Why are dollar-for-service inevitably going to switch to ad supported? I can't imagine the necessity of that, you already have a paying customer.

Because you always have to be squeezing more money from somewhere to keep your stock going up and ads are an easy place to get it

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by kaba0 »

innagadadavida wrote: post #95
nicce wrote: post #86

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Apple's ad business, however, is growing all the time. And in significant margins. https://www.wired.co.uk/article/apple-is-an-ad-company-now https://www.statista.com/statistics/1330127/apple-ad-revenue...

> In 2022, Apple generated 4.7 billion U.S. dollars with its global advertising business. > By 2022, Facebook's ad revenues had hit $135.94 billion. $4.7B is not a small number but no where close to Facebook’s.

Also, not all ads are the same from an ethical standpoint.

Displaying an app ad in the appstore upon searching for a similar term is very different than displaying ads based on your whole life, collected in malicious ways.

Re: Apple vs. Meta: The Illusion of Privacy

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Post by GeekyBear »

doublerabbit wrote: post #100
soperj wrote: post #89

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And Apple now with their ad business. How are they fundamentally different?

I agree. Apple has always had an advertising business, remember apps with ad banners in the early IOS store? However the fundamental difference is that their model is being an hardware company.

> Apple has always had an advertising business, remember apps with ad banners in the early IOS store?

Remember what their advertising clients disliked about Apple's ad platform compared to the likes of Facebook and Google?

> A new report on Advertising Age has revealed what advertisers think of Apple's arrogance when it comes to its mobile advertising platform and its tight grip on user data.

"One person familiar with the situation exec said Apple's refusal to share data makes it the best-looking girl at the party, forced to wear a bag over her head," the AdAge report read.

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/3568/20140222/apple-cares...

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