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25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by ndriscoll »

candiddevmike wrote: post #11
rconti wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the pendulum DID swing, as The Cloud became more popular and connections became radically asymmetric with very slow upload.

10 Mbps upload is plenty fast for hosting things like websites and web apps.

Not really. For my daughter's birthday, I put together an album of around 100 photos to share with family. That came out to 386 MB at default quality settings in digikam, which would take 5 minutes to download at 10 Mb/s. Even for smaller things where maybe I share 10-15 photos from a day out, that'd take ~30 seconds to load. I can drop the quality just for sharing on the web, but I'd rather be able to just share it.

Likewise with backups, each photo is ~40 MB for RAW files, so 10 Mb/s can take all day to backup a couple hundred photos.

That's without even getting into video. Off the camera, video files are ~200 Mb/s. Backups of the raw footage take forever, and sharing at the original quality is a non-starter.

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by civiloid »

tombert wrote: post #51

Man, and I thought I was cool for getting my home configured for 10 gigabits. It wasn't too hard or expensive to get used 10 gigabit cards for my router and server. It was a bit pricier to get a used Thunderbolt 10 gigabit adapter for my Mac, but still not prohibitive. I thought I was really future-proofing by making my house 10 gigabit compatible when I only have 2 gigabit internet, but if I have to worry about 25 g…

The cool thing about fibre is that it is way more future-proof than good old copper.

By the way, I also went for a Thunderbolt enclosure and network card for Mac. It is a bit pricy (the enclosure costs way more than yet another ConnectX).

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by fulafel »

hinkley wrote: post #2

What is the state of the art in leveraging your home network to have a presence (website or otherwise) on the internet? Fiber just became available in our neighborhood recently and I'm about to have fewer people sharing our network, so the idea of being able to host my own files is becoming attractive again. We are about to be due for this pendulum (centralized vs distributed) to swing back again and I like to be pre…

It depends, if you have real IP connectivity on your box you just run a web server and bob's your uncle. If you're stuck behind a nat for v4, try v6. Or port forwarding or VPN to a cloud provider or vps with better IP connectivity.

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by robbiet480 »

zamadatix wrote: post #93
robbiet480 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UDM Pro USW-Pro-Aggregation USW-Pro-48-PoE US-XG-6PoE Recently bypassed AT&T's residential gateway by getting a XGS-PON on a SFP+ stick, let me shave off 2ms and gain a couple hundred mbps each way, in addition to removing their crappy gateway.

Which stick did you go with?

This one [0] via a group buy on the 8311 Discord [1]. The instructions for use are at [2].

[0]: https://ecin.ca/custom-xgs-pon-sfp-stick-module-xgspon-ont-w...

[1]: https://discord.gg/8311-886329492438671420

[2]: https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1UIAgtxkImgFRwyaGDGtI...

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by candiddevmike »

ndriscoll wrote: post #111
candiddevmike wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

10 Mbps upload is plenty fast for hosting things like websites and web apps.

Not really. For my daughter's birthday, I put together an album of around 100 photos to share with family. That came out to 386 MB at default quality settings in digikam, which would take 5 minutes to download at 10 Mb/s. Even for smaller things where maybe I share 10-15 photos from a day out, that'd take ~30 seconds to load. I can drop the quality just for sharing on the web, but I'd rather be able to just share it.…

> 10 Mbps upload is plenty fast for hosting things like websites and web apps.

I made no guarantees for file sharing or backups...

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by ndriscoll »

candiddevmike wrote: post #115
ndriscoll wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. For my daughter's birthday, I put together an album of around 100 photos to share with family. That came out to 386 MB at default quality settings in digikam, which would take 5 minutes to download at 10 Mb/s. Even for smaller things where maybe I share 10-15 photos from a day out, that'd take ~30 seconds to load. I can drop the quality just for sharing on the web, but I'd rather be able to just share it.…

> 10 Mbps upload is plenty fast for hosting things like websites and web apps. I made no guarantees for file sharing or backups...

I would consider things like home movies and photo albums to be one of the main use-cases for a personal website (photo albums are pretty much what everyone in my social network uses Facebook for today). If you restrict to text websites, we could all get by with Backups are something else sure, but for personal hosting, the world is easier if you can just plop photos into a directory with maybe a simple html (or in my case xml) file and not deal with things like generating thumbnails or different quality settings.

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by nunez »

robbiet480 wrote: post #22

I've got AT&T Fiber's 5 gigabit symmetric service (with a Ubiquiti equipment stack that handles 40 gigabit without issue) and while its been very stable and I win all nerd fights with my speed tests, I've been thinking about dropping back down to 1 gigabit because I don't find much value out of 5. If it was cheaper ($180/mo for 5 gigabit) maybe I'd keep it but Astound/WaveG is offering gigabit symmetric for $50/mo wi…

I also finally got AT&T's 5Gbit fiber service. (Interestingly, wiring up the house for 10 is easier than 5.) I've found it to be a really help for super large downloads, like bundles of container images, if you can get bits at gigabit speed from the server.

I'm definitely going to upgrade to 10Gbit if AT&T makes it available.

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by zamadatix »

robbiet480 wrote: post #114
zamadatix wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which stick did you go with?

This one [0] via a group buy on the 8311 Discord [1]. The instructions for use are at [2]. [0]: https://ecin.ca/custom-xgs-pon-sfp-stick-module-xgspon-ont-w... [1]: https://discord.gg/8311-886329492438671420 [2]: https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/1UIAgtxkImgFRwyaGDGtI...

Dear lord, that is the gnarliest looking SFP I've ever seen. Thanks for the links, this looks great!

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by vollmond »

V1ndaar wrote: post #44
vollmond wrote: post #6

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> Just then, a bandwidth load as heavy as a pregnant elephant sits down on Manfred's head and sends clumps of humongous pixilation flickering across his sensorium: Around the world, five million or so geeks are bouncing on his home site, a digital flash crowd alerted by a posting from the other side of the bar. Manfred winces. "I really came here to talk about the economic exploitation of space travel, but I've just…

Damn, I read that book as a teenager in 2006 or 07! I've been thinking about a reread whenever I remember it. It was the book that really made me appreciate the whole technological singularity idea back then.

I've been trying to find my paper copy all week so I can reread it. Might just give up and read it on his site: https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/fiction/acceler...

Re: 25 Gbit/s at home, part 1

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Post by klabb3 »

satvikpendem wrote: post #48

These kinds of speeds are available in Switzerland because their laws state that any fiber laid down must be usable by competitors, so that ISPs must compete on service alone. I wish we had that in other countries as well.

This is the way! And not just fiber, but infrastructure in general.

It’s basically combining the short-sighted greed of corporations with the long term potential energy of infra. The combo is incredibly powerful.

Governments typically suck at ops, pricing etc, but digging and drawing lines in the sand they can be pretty good at. Corporations without competition always suck, it’s like having an athlete without a sport. Even if they start out fine, they deteriorate on the couch into an agitated and lazy asshole, monopolizing the remote.

In many parts of Europe, this model is working so well that there are 2-3 competitors that are all good and cheap. Unlike (here) in the US where there is only one, depending on your address, which sucks and is incredibly overpriced.

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