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Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

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Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

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EV's This will become a bigger issue for all as more EV's gain adoption. And with the reluctance to use nuclear, there's not many reliable options for clean energy.

Adding an EV to my garage didn't do any of this. It charges when there's plenty of energy around.

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think I have to set up shop in Texas with some space heaters and claim my bitcoin energy credits!

Unfortunately not how it works. The reason that Texas is paying miners to load shed is because they are being paid to supply a constant load to the grid. They shut down in order to dump capacity into the grid because that is less expensive than attempting to bring new capacity online to meet demand and then later bring that capacity back down when it is no longer needed. Because of the way miners can ramp up and down…

even with incentives, it’s still cash-negative for the miners to buy electricity from ERCOT though, right?

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

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> Some of these tactics have proven controversial with consumers. One program that pays big power users like cryptocurrency operations millions to conserve, has come under particular scrutiny, as Texans have been asked to conserve voluntarily for months. This is... amazing. Not in a good way.

It's called demand management / demand response / frequency response. I think that line sounds like a bit of click bait as there isn't much context around it.

I would imagine that the crypto operations also pays a lot of money for generation services - so knowing how much it purchases for electricity vs how much it conserves would add a lot of context. Stating that they get millions (loose numbers) from DM/DR programs is pretty soft reporting and they are providing a grid stabilizing service.

The argument that retail consumers can't get money from DR programs i'm not sure is accurate though don't know what ERCOT currently offers for residential consumers. I know of services that allow consumers to cash in through smart thermostats etc (OhmConnect). Also its a lot cheaper to get a couple large consumers to reduce their usage then aggregating over a large group of houses.

Now if you are trying to argue that this use case for the electricity is wasteful thats another argument or that Texas handling of the grid has been challenged especially the natural gas fiasco - also another argument.

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

#114

Just a few months ago on HN there was a thread discussing the upcoming summer. Was surprised just how many 'free-market' advocates came out to say how great things were, how the market has created additional supply, and all this was just lib panic. They are paying 'crypto-miners' to temporarily stop running? That is absurd. So I could make money just by moving a mining operation to Texas, and wait for a shutdown. How…

The market did create a ton of supply. It added so much supply electric contracts went as low as $0.10/kWh including delivery costs at the start of the summer. It added several state's worth of supply. Its just people demanded even more with 7x more growth in demand than historical.

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

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post #9

The article states that the sharp drop in reserves was being “investigated,” and that it is “suspected” that a large power plant stopped working. Is observability of Texan infrastructure so poor that the _power company_ doesn’t have a comprehensive view of _which power plants are operational_?

The grid operator knows immediately, but it is confidential [1]. Similar "CEII" rules are enforced by FERC for the other US grids.

[1] https://www.ercot.com/files/docs/2018/09/28/902NPRR-01_ERCOT...

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

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post #110

I live in Texas and we’ve been dancing on the edge of energy availability for weeks now. If you glance at ERCOT’s public graphs that estimate energy supply and demand, every evening we’re barely eeking by. From what I’ve heard, this should be improving daily as temperatures ease, but I guess not. Surprising that we had an emergency episode in September rather than two weeks ago. If Texas can’t supply enough energy in…

isn’t it normal for supply to only barely exceed demand? That’s what’s most efficient.

Out of curiosity, what did those graphs look like to you on previous years?

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

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post #5

It would have had blackouts if it didn't build all those bitcoin mines. The bitcoin mines encouraged power infrastructure development, and they can just be taken offline when high heat causes power demand spikes for air conditioning.

People literally freezing to death amidst billions of dollars of water damage to homes via busted pipes didn't encourage the state to upgrade its infrastructure.

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

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post #110

I live in Texas and we’ve been dancing on the edge of energy availability for weeks now. If you glance at ERCOT’s public graphs that estimate energy supply and demand, every evening we’re barely eeking by. From what I’ve heard, this should be improving daily as temperatures ease, but I guess not. Surprising that we had an emergency episode in September rather than two weeks ago. If Texas can’t supply enough energy in…

I feel like TX is doing more to push for energy independence than any other single organization in the country. the grid incompetence, and governments unwillingness to resolve, is the best driver for household battery and solar I can this of.

I don't live in TX, but if I didn't have 1day battery storage, coupled with solar capability to charge that battery to full in a single day, with a generator as backup, every ounce of effort would be going to that.

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the news is that they paid bitcoin miners to sit idle. The only other choice was to charge them more for power usage.

right, they save that second option for regular consumers.

AFAIK users have the option of signing up for the fixed rate plan or the variable rate plans when they sign up with their provider. That's why not everyone got hit with the multi-thousand dollar bills during 2021, they had benefitted from the lower pricing in general but were hung out to dry during these spikes.

Re: Texas just got closer to blackouts than it has since 2021. What happened?

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I actually think it’s the only somewhat good thing about Texas’ grid. What better way to ensure Island configuration works than running that mode all the time?

I mean I guess - but there is no getting around that it concentrates risk...

Texas is massive, bigger than many countries and bigger than several nearby states put together. Most forms of geographic and other kinds of risk could be smoothed over with sheer scale. We have massive energy production resources including not just oil and natural gas, but way more than our fair share of nuclear, wind, and solar. Most likely we'd be helping other states much more often than they help us. The TX grid is a mess due to sheer mismanagement and poor regulation, not so much being disconnected from our neighbors. It's maddening how little it would take to do better, like just better weatherizing the nuke plants and the gas pipes feeding natural gas generation so it doesn't go down when there's a worse than average freeze.
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