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How did we get to this place that so much of our media landscape was centralized within one failing company on Market Street in San Francisco?
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> We don't have debtors prisons. No one's suggesting such. We have plenty of disputed behavior and harms that are within the purview of civil courts, and then more egregious versions that are crimes. IMO, withholding significant pay that you have the ability to pay and is unambiguously contractually owed causes pretty serious harm, and society has strong reasons to criminalize this conduct. Accepting services from so…
Severance is typically not "unambiguously contractually owed." The fact that many here would want company executives imprisoned for not offering goodwill boggles my mind.
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> overall it's a negative for society I would disagree. We shouldn't allow criminal behaviour to be tolerated just because it's white collar. And the whole point of laws is to protect the vulnerable in our society which definitely includes the innocent employees who are being harmed for doing nothing other than working for Twitter/X.
How is it criminal behavior to not offer severance, which 99% of companies don't offer? Not offering severance has nothing to do with criminal behavior. If so, 99% of small businesses owners would be imprisoned in your world.
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> overall it's a negative for society I would disagree. We shouldn't allow criminal behaviour to be tolerated just because it's white collar. And the whole point of laws is to protect the vulnerable in our society which definitely includes the innocent employees who are being harmed for doing nothing other than working for Twitter/X.
How is it criminal behavior to not offer severance, which 99% of companies don't offer? Not offering severance has nothing to do with criminal behavior. If so, 99% of small businesses owners would be imprisoned in your world.
He also publicly promised severance to all employees he laid off, when laying them off, then tried to back out of it after the fact.
So we have both contract law and public statements that he owes severance to thousands of people, and now is just refusing to pay. What kind of behavior is that?
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This line is a low-effort, cliché dismissal that does not engage the statement in a meaningful way.
The original statement is also low-effort and cliché, so why should a comment require more effort?
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Wage theft and fraud are crimes that state attorneys general do prosecute. https://www.atg.wa.gov/news/news-releases/attorney-general-f...
Not paying severance is not wage theft. Severance was not included in Twitter's employee contract.
It's not technically wage theft, in spirit it's pretty similar to wage theft since the termination of employment contracts had severance payment as a clause.
Potato, potato.
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> We don't have debtors prisons. No one's suggesting such. We have plenty of disputed behavior and harms that are within the purview of civil courts, and then more egregious versions that are crimes. IMO, withholding significant pay that you have the ability to pay and is unambiguously contractually owed causes pretty serious harm, and society has strong reasons to criminalize this conduct. Accepting services from so…
Severance is typically not "unambiguously contractually owed." The fact that many here would want company executives imprisoned for not offering goodwill boggles my mind.
The fact that you are defending this practice makes me almost want to ask you how do their boots taste like...
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The original statement is also low-effort and cliché, so why should a comment require more effort?
Because we should strive to improve discussions and pull them up to a higher level if possible. Especially on HN, where the comment section is actually useful instead of a cesspool of empty arguments and insults.
A much better idea is to down vote and move on.