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Re: Yenish people

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Post by weeksie »

i_am_a_peasant wrote: post #57

I grew up in Eastern Europe among many minorities. I had friends who were Lipovans (Russian old believers who escaped persecution in Russia in the 17th century), Armenians that escaped the genocide by the turks, descendants of Phanariots (ottoman Greeks), and of course Gypsies both "white" and otherwise. We would refer to white gypsies as "blonde gypsies". I am pretty sure the guy who we would call "blonde gypsie" wa…

Interesting. There are a lot of old faith Russian communities in Alaska. I'm from a small town and we'd often have "locals vs Russians" teenage feuds through the summers. They're good fishermen.

Re: Yenish people

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Post by throwaway290 »

gnfargbl wrote: post #96
throwaway290 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If parents don't need to go away to work then homeschooling is much better, just as long as kids socialize in some way. The origin of modern schools is daycare while parents are away slaving at the factory and to make more obedient industrial cogs. The fact that kids are bunched up together randomly with each other to grow into bullies/bullied/abuse victims (and taught by strangers who let's be frank could not do bet…

Education is essential if we want to give children a chance at social mobility. Traditional schools have their problems, including those you list, but at least children taught in them can get some qualifications, and those qualifications give the children a shot at doing something other than the same as their parents. If the only education the parents themselves got was walking a pony up and down a railway line, it's…

Why do you assume it's the only education? It's clearly a way to make money which is needed to get by in some particular society they happen to be in. Maybe they don't get the exact same uniform training as at regular schools but I don't know whether it's as "fucked up" as those schools are in many countries.

Re: Yenish people

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Post by i_am_a_peasant »

weeksie wrote: post #111
i_am_a_peasant wrote: post #57

I grew up in Eastern Europe among many minorities. I had friends who were Lipovans (Russian old believers who escaped persecution in Russia in the 17th century), Armenians that escaped the genocide by the turks, descendants of Phanariots (ottoman Greeks), and of course Gypsies both "white" and otherwise. We would refer to white gypsies as "blonde gypsies". I am pretty sure the guy who we would call "blonde gypsie" wa…

Interesting. There are a lot of old faith Russian communities in Alaska. I'm from a small town and we'd often have "locals vs Russians" teenage feuds through the summers. They're good fishermen.

Yes exactly! They lived off fishing in my hometown as well!

Re: Yenish people

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Post by dtornabene »

tptacek wrote: post #110
ryukoposting wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd lean towards "BS" over "stretch." If you went up to every homeless person in SF, Chicago, etc and ask them why they're homeless, you'd have a hard time finding a single one who's in that situation by choice or cultural caste.

You will not have a hard time finding Chicago people who are unhoused by choice. (I don't know the broader point you're responding to or trying to make here, so don't take me as trying to refute whatever that is; I just noticed the "Chicago" mention, and that your data point is broken; your larger point might still be fine.)

Yeah, thats really gross and also wildly incorrect, having been unhoused in Chicago, multiple times, over a period of years and not in any way by choice. Few, I would say vanishingly few people in those circumstance, are "unhoused by choice". And if this is in some way a gesture to the many many people who are mentally unwell, and were in housing until Rahm got in power, that is a grotesque use of the word "choice".

Re: Yenish people

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Post by tptacek »

dtornabene wrote: post #114
tptacek wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You will not have a hard time finding Chicago people who are unhoused by choice. (I don't know the broader point you're responding to or trying to make here, so don't take me as trying to refute whatever that is; I just noticed the "Chicago" mention, and that your data point is broken; your larger point might still be fine.)

Yeah, thats really gross and also wildly incorrect, having been unhoused in Chicago, multiple times, over a period of years and not in any way by choice. Few, I would say vanishingly few people in those circumstance, are "unhoused by choice". And if this is in some way a gesture to the many many people who are mentally unwell, and were in housing until Rahm got in power, that is a grotesque use of the word "choice".

I don't deny at all that there are people in Chicago who are unhoused against their will. Presumably most of them are. It's my assumption when I see someone here living on the streets. But I pay attention to local government stuff, and I know for a fact that some of the people out on the streets here are choosing to stay on the street despite being directly offered long-term housing.

Our politics about housing and homelessness are probably very similar, but "you will not find a single person in Chicago who is currently unhoused by choice" is simply false. There may not be anything useful to do with that information! It may have no public policy implications at all! But it's still not a good idea to try to build arguments out of premises that can be quickly falsified.

The people I'm thinking about are not, like, schizophrenic and incapable of making the choices I'm talking about.

I'm certainly no fan of Emanuel's.

† (I edited this a bunch of little ways but also in one big way, to make it more clear that I'm not personally involved in any of the outreach stuff I'm talking about.)

Re: Yenish people

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Post by 1letterunixname »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptians_Act_1554

The Romani, disparaged as "Egyptians" and demonized as criminals, were ordered on pain of execution in the 16th c. to settle or leave England. Perhaps British of that era lacked the words in their lexicon: "racist", "classist", "conformist", and "Hobson's choice."

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