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ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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I just tried. I did not get a factual answer from bard.

Huh, I did. Maybe it only works for some people!

He is determined to see no value. Today I couldn’t find the mouse acceleration toggle in macOS, and google turned up a bunch of mediocre results I would have to sift through. ChatGPT just gave me the terminal command I was looking for immediately.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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I'd like to have LawGPT, where it reads all laws of a certain country, and I can ask it things like, "what are my options when the neighbors tree crosses over into my property?"

How do you build that in a way that you can rely on the results?

The safest approach currently is to use GPT-4 and tell it something like:

"I will give you a block of text and a question. Please answer the question using only the information in the provided text. Don't make any guesses and admit if you are not sure about your answer. If you don't know the answer, say you don't know the answer.

Question: X

Text: Y"

Trouble is that you cannot put the entire books of law into Y because the context is limited. So currently you need to do something else to sieve through the law material and find only the passages most relevant to the question through embeddings or full text search or some other method. It's not very reliable.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Huh, I did. Maybe it only works for some people!

He is determined to see no value. Today I couldn’t find the mouse acceleration toggle in macOS, and google turned up a bunch of mediocre results I would have to sift through. ChatGPT just gave me the terminal command I was looking for immediately.

Or, I literally asked a factual question of Google (several times, although similar questions) and didn't get a bard generated response. Strange to read "Google searches aren't doing this for me" as "they are doing it for me and I don't like it"

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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One thing that is surprising is just how vast is the chasm on Google/Bing Search quality for developer resources(and probably many engineering field with vast user documentation) and how good ChatGPT-4 has become on it.

As a developer ChatGPT and OpenAI API tools are essential and useful. Though if the gap is that big it probably means that other players can chip away at it.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Mostly “training” to do abstract things, not really for survival or fun. I could catch fish since a fairly early age, mostly because I enjoyed it. At about age 12 I used to drive stolen cars around without any training at all except observation. It too me decades to become a corporate robot though :) I think training is a weird word, life is an experience, not just training. I think your comment demonstrated the limi…

We are pre-trained by billions of years of evolution.

To use a fishing rod and drive a car ?

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I'm actually worried of the inevitable enshitification of Open AI. Right now, GPT 4 is great and I use it every day. I rely less and less on Google and save a ton of time. Google has gone downhill hard for a few years, thanks to all these silly blog engines like medium, substack and the like. I'm really worried and would like to 'freeze' GPT 4 as is, at least with the data up to Sep 2021, and for them to not change o…

I'm almost hoping for some enshittification. It's so depressing seeing how many skills and jobs have been instantly devalued. Take a look at the artist communities and it's total depression that peoples life passion and source of income has just been deleted over the course of a few months. We aren't talking about burger flipping and checkout scanners. This is a creative pursuit which takes years of grinding to becom…

If things slow down a bit then speed up again in a few years once economics improve or whatever, does that really make any difference in the long run? What's the long term solution here?

We're not even talking about decades here, probably.

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The only moat openai has is their financial resources to pay for training and their vast troves of data scraped before reddit/twitter/etc started trying to lock things down. I think at this point there are enough people knowledgeable and interested in open LM technology that, if openai begins to degrade in quality, we won’t lose this technology forever. I’ve personally been obsessively reading papers about new models…

reddit/twitter/etc(?) data might be vast, but it's very low quality...

Sometimes low quality text is what people need.

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I'm actually worried of the inevitable enshitification of Open AI. Right now, GPT 4 is great and I use it every day. I rely less and less on Google and save a ton of time. Google has gone downhill hard for a few years, thanks to all these silly blog engines like medium, substack and the like. I'm really worried and would like to 'freeze' GPT 4 as is, at least with the data up to Sep 2021, and for them to not change o…

Have you tried Googling something factual lately? Bard just gives you the answer.

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Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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I'm actually worried of the inevitable enshitification of Open AI. Right now, GPT 4 is great and I use it every day. I rely less and less on Google and save a ton of time. Google has gone downhill hard for a few years, thanks to all these silly blog engines like medium, substack and the like. I'm really worried and would like to 'freeze' GPT 4 as is, at least with the data up to Sep 2021, and for them to not change o…

I'm almost hoping for some enshittification. It's so depressing seeing how many skills and jobs have been instantly devalued. Take a look at the artist communities and it's total depression that peoples life passion and source of income has just been deleted over the course of a few months. We aren't talking about burger flipping and checkout scanners. This is a creative pursuit which takes years of grinding to becom…

Not even deleted! Actively stolen. No one has yet grappled with the reality that especially in the realm of generative art, these models do not work without a basis of absolutely stressful amounts of stolen artwork to train them. They simply do. Not. Exist. Without that baseline unethical contribution that tons of artists made without their knowledge and certainly without their consent. None of the major figures behind any of this tech will acknowledge this. They make some hand-wavy non-committal gestures towards fair use and "how artists learn" and act like that's an answer, completely discarding tons of points not worth revisiting here because it's frankly been beaten to death already and if you're still fence sitting or pro generative art at this point, it's because you want/need to be to prevent cognitive dissonance in one way or another.

And to be clear: this stuff is SO COOL. The idea of entering prompts and getting at least vaguely unique and interesting output is incredibly cool. The notion of machines that learn, even in a restrictive way as the current models do, is so fascinating. And of course, like any cool and interesting new tech, it was immediately adopted/hijacked by the worst people imaginable, determined to fill Amazon self-publishing with generated hack kids books filled with generated text and generated art, at the lowest cost point possible, sold on the cheap, with the idea that they could make them convincing enough to trick some poor overworked parents into buying them and pocketing the cash. Just grift. Every new technology we get now, as few as the true new innovations they are, are always, always, immediately, co-opted by the worst actors in the space and turned to utter garbage.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm actually worried of the inevitable enshitification of Open AI. Right now, GPT 4 is great and I use it every day. I rely less and less on Google and save a ton of time. Google has gone downhill hard for a few years, thanks to all these silly blog engines like medium, substack and the like. I'm really worried and would like to 'freeze' GPT 4 as is, at least with the data up to Sep 2021, and for them to not change o…

I'm almost hoping for some enshittification. It's so depressing seeing how many skills and jobs have been instantly devalued. Take a look at the artist communities and it's total depression that peoples life passion and source of income has just been deleted over the course of a few months. We aren't talking about burger flipping and checkout scanners. This is a creative pursuit which takes years of grinding to becom…

It hasn’t been deleted. They’re just annoyed they have to learn to use AI now. Or at least they should be; people will lose their job to someone using AI, not to AI itself.

There are a thousand ways the creative game has merely changed, not been supplanted. I wouldn’t have hired an artist before to draw some stories I’ve wanted to make. But once I use Midjourney to create some mockups, I might. The last 10% of polish is still the hardest part, and that’s worth a lot more than raw image generation.

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