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Your brain on emoji

nautil.us

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Re: Your brain on emoji

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post #46

I'm starting to find them emotionally manipulative in a bad way. FireFox settings should not be showing a sad-face emoji just because it's not my default browser. Especially when I'm using BrowserTamer[1] to intercept all URL launches so I can feed a few work URLs to Edge and Chrome, and FireFox as the default for everything else, so it effectively is my default browser. It's not the only piece of software behaving s…

>FireFox settings should not be showing a sad-face emoji just because it's not my default browser. The irony of using the normative "should" to project your preferences onto Firefox, while expressing a desire that Firefox not do so on you. Also - what about iPhones stubbornly showing green texts from Android messagers? That's not even "I'm sad you're using Android." It's more a passive-aggressive "I'm going to degrad…

green to me = unencrypted and getting stored directly into a government database forever

Re: Your brain on emoji

#113

I'm surprised to see the spread of emoji attributed to Microsoft in the initial sentences. It's possible that the author may be referring to the smiley faces in extended character pages, or maybe Webdings, but I generally associate the term 'emoji' with Unicode characters specifically, which I believe to have been petitioned by Google and popularized by Apple. Interesting article either way.

> I generally associate the term 'emoji' with Unicode characters specifically

Platforms like Slack and Mastodon now let you add what they call "custom emoji" which back in a web forum in 1999 we would have called "smilies", but in any case are definitely not part of unicode.

The term has evolved to just mean any graphical smilies/small embedded images

Re: Your brain on emoji

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post #37
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The invention in Japan, Europe, and the US of smileys was relatively concurrent, which makes sense because by the late 90s, text-art faces (e.g. ":-)" "(^_^)") were prevalent.

Emoji specifically (絵文字, where 絵 means "picture") are a Japanese invention. They were / are custom pictures, initially monochrome, which Japanese mobile phones allowed to insert into texts. See https://www.global.ntt/contributing-society-emoji.html They are not the "smiley" / "emoticon" character art stuff like :-) or =ò.ó= or whatever.

Web forums like UBB already had what we called "smilies" in 1998 with graphical emotive faces you could include in your posts, so that concept of image emotes predates the Japanese emoji.

Making them part of the OS and character set so they could be used anywhere and not just on a web forum was what made them the emoji we know today, and what caused them to catch on.

But now services like Slack and Mastodon have what they call "custom emoji" which hijacks the term and takes us back to 1998 web forums again.

Re: Your brain on emoji

#115
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually get green text bubbles from a relative with an iPhone because they send messages to my work number whereas my iMessage is tied to my personal number.

I only get green bubbles, because pretty much everyone uses Discord or Facebook Messenger. The only messages I get that arrive through the Messages app are from Android users, usually via Android Auto, or automated notifications.

By far the majority of my text messaging happens in WhatsApp these days.

Re: Your brain on emoji

#116
I find it disturbing that we consider emoji sufficiently expressive to stand in for the depth of meaning that a well-crafted passage can convey.

In particular, I have lamented the paucity of information that modern short form social media - 280 character Tweets; 10 second shorts; soundbytes, quips, and shitposts on Reddit - is able to carry. There simply is not enough information within the medium to sufficiently disambiguate the multiple senses and interpretations one can read into the message, and I believe it is this lack of being able to even agree on what is being said that leads to so much miscommunication and conflict today.

After all, any reading or interpretation of a message requires some form of _projection_ on the audience's part onto the canvas of the medium.

Frege once wrote, "Si duo idem faciunt, non est idem. If two persons picture the same thing, each still has his own idea." [0] Perhaps it is for this reason that Victorian-era writers (John Stuart Mill's "On Liberty" comes to mind) employed such a flowery and verbose brand of English; it is only by sketching out their ideas in high enough resolution that one can have some hope in hell of conveying an idea to their reader, intact and bearing at least some resemblance to whatever it is they had in mind.

To steal an idea from Wittgenstein's Tractatus, 4.026: "The meanings of the simple signs (the words) must be explained to us, if we are to understand them." If one does not take the time to expand upon the definitions or the subtleties of the words, signs, or emoji they use, it is no surprise that some misunderstanding may arise.

Why then, do we suppose that emoji will indeed communicate, unambiguously, the shades and nuances of meaning that we intend, simply because they bear some resemblance to a real-world object or common symbol? Did you contextualize its usage adequately? Is that picture indeed "worth a thousand words?" Which thousand did you choose when you last punched in that heart emoji?

Emoji have progressed to a fourth-order simulacrum, in Baudrillard's terminology: "it has no relation to any reality whatsoever." Where perhaps emoji once may have been able to refer to the depth of meaning, the underlying reality to which they point, I find they are now carelessly thrown around, often, as another commenter has mentioned below, towards manipulative ends. Even the simple heart emoji is not something I've even used with my father over iMessage until very recently. Love is after all, a very powerful concept, and yet here we are, throwing it around willy-nilly, left and right, to people we haven't even met in person - or worse, _next to the links to purchase reddit premium or reddit gold._ Far from being an actual message of _agape_ or even _philia,_ which may have been a function of a first-order simulacrum, where the map accurately reflected the territory, it has become a hollow icon, meant to evoke some sentiment or feeling in the reader by its presentation alone, and not by virtue of its connection to some actual underlying sense of love.

Baudrillard also writes: "All Western faith and good faith became engaged in this wager on representation: that a sign could refer to the depth of meaning, that a sign could be exchanged for meaning and that something could guarantee this exchange - God of course. But what if God himself can be simulated, that is to say can be reduced to the signs that constitute faith?"

I am not a Christian, or perhaps even a religious man, but the example is quite poignant. Can you draw me an emoji, an icon, of what was once taken to be the highest and most ineffable concept? And if emoji can fall short of communicating one ideal, why not others?

Yet here we are, exchanging hollow signs in a lifeless, meaningless formal system of cold syntax, bereft of semantics.

[0] http://www.scu.edu.tw/philos/98class/Peng/05.pdf

Re: Your brain on emoji

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How can American authors write text that says Microsoft introduced... then a word like "Emoji" that is so obviously Japanese Authors still see the world through a lens, that until its big in US, it does not really exist, and then associate it to the US company that copied it first.

Re: Your brain on emoji

#118
post #29

I’m starting to think that Hacker News is on the wrong side of history on this one. Without the emotional channel, we make more misunderstandings, which leads to more hostile posts. Emoji are becoming a permanent part of written language. I don’t want to see a post full of emoji either, but perhaps a filter that allows one emoji per 20 words would work. Perhaps using a font with black line or grayscale emoji?

This is why I love Google's Noto Emoji font: https://developers.googleblog.com/2022/04/what-is-black-and-...

Re: Your brain on emoji

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I'm surprised to see the spread of emoji attributed to Microsoft in the initial sentences. It's possible that the author may be referring to the smiley faces in extended character pages, or maybe Webdings, but I generally associate the term 'emoji' with Unicode characters specifically, which I believe to have been petitioned by Google and popularized by Apple. Interesting article either way.

e-moji should be attributed to NTT DoCoMo, who first had it on their feature phones in 1999. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji The article above also noted how MSN Messenger and BlackBerry adopted emoji from 2003 onwards.

MSN Messenger never adopted emoji, they had their own emoticons/smilies that were developed independently. There were no emoji in the west until the iPhone got it in 2011

Re: Your brain on emoji

#120

How can American authors write text that says Microsoft introduced... then a word like "Emoji" that is so obviously Japanese Authors still see the world through a lens, that until its big in US, it does not really exist, and then associate it to the US company that copied it first.

I'm guessing the author is refereing to emoticons from MSN Messenger. I don't think the term "emoji" gained popularity in the west until the iPhone came out, and made emoji wildly popular because of the one secret trick you had to do to enable the keyboard on non-Japanese phones.
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