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Does it have to be a laptop? For desktop systems, there are many more options.
I'm not aware of many fanless desktops outside of specialty systems.
I highly recommend a NUC with a fanless case from Akasa.
Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions
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Having used Arch heavily in the past, “better things to do” is heavily at odds with “using arch”
Doesn't match my experience at all. I love that packages are always up to date. Also, in my experience, having a rolling release cycle leads to significantly fewer issues than having to upgrade everything at once. Using Arch has been a net time saver for me compared to something like Ubuntu where I've wasted a lot of time fighting package upgrade issues and trying to get newer package versions than the distro provide…
I’ve done a lot of distro hopping in the last couple of years, and I always seemed to spend a lot longer managing the environment rather than doing the work (which was an issue when I was freelancing…). Indeed Arch is the only one that ended up with a massive folder in a notion notebook for guides and how tos.
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If you don't mind skimping on speaker quality or, depending on model, screen resolution, I will again recommend lg gram laptops. I never heard the fan on my first, and my second only comes on if it is charging a low battery while on a video call, and even that is quiet compared to the helicopter noise of the last MacBook pro I had through my last employer.
> even that is quiet compared to the helicopter noise of the last MacBook pro I had through my last employer. It's worth noting that this MBP was almost certainly an Intel model. The new ARM-based Apple laptops rarely have audible fans. This isn't to discount your recommendation, however.
It did leave me confused why people recommend Mac's, after I had to use them again for work in 2017, replaced with an even worse 2019 edition. The hardware was down the toilet in terms of keyboard quality and heating to uncomfortable temperatures.
Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions
#114I put it on my M1 MBP for all of 15 minutes before giving up - I did not have high expectations as I am aware it's cutting edge stuff but it wasn't even remotely usable for me as a daily driver - the touchpad was wonky, konsole kept crashing and also anything drawing on the screen was annoyingly slow. Maybe the desktops work better? Good on them for trying and I don't mean this as a discouragement but realistically I…
Konsole keeps crashing everywhere, though. Don't use KDE.
Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions
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Having used Arch heavily in the past, “better things to do” is heavily at odds with “using arch”
As far as I'm concerned, "better things to do" is heavily at odds with "using Linux". Seriously, I spend more time when using Linux trying to get the computer to work instead of actually doing anything constructive with it.
I think this depends on what you’re doing. Working in software dev and using a lot of containers, anything other than Linux would be a PITA
Re: Fedora Asahi Remix first impressions
#116Would Asahi linux on an apple laptop be the best Linux laptop experience these days for someone who prioritizes fanlessness? It seems the other ARM option is the ThinkPad X13s, which presumably has lower performance. Anyone have experience running linux on these machines and can compare the experience and hardware compatibility?
> seems the other ARM option is the ThinkPad X13s
Seems there is a bunch of Windows laptops from Dell, Lenovo and Samsung besides the X13
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/mobile/snapdragon/pcs-and-...
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having used Arch heavily in the past, “better things to do” is heavily at odds with “using arch”
Doesn't match my experience at all. I love that packages are always up to date. Also, in my experience, having a rolling release cycle leads to significantly fewer issues than having to upgrade everything at once. Using Arch has been a net time saver for me compared to something like Ubuntu where I've wasted a lot of time fighting package upgrade issues and trying to get newer package versions than the distro provide…
> something like Ubuntu where I've wasted a lot of time fighting package upgrade issues
The irony. You’re aware Arch its policy is to release packages in a broken state and just put it in the release log? They even very publicly state that.
If you want an actually stable rolling release, stick with OpenSUSE.
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#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
> even that is quiet compared to the helicopter noise of the last MacBook pro I had through my last employer. It's worth noting that this MBP was almost certainly an Intel model. The new ARM-based Apple laptops rarely have audible fans. This isn't to discount your recommendation, however.
It did leave me confused why people recommend Mac's, after I had to use them again for work in 2017, replaced with an even worse 2019 edition. The hardware was down the toilet in terms of keyboard quality and heating to uncomfortable temperatures.
I completely understand where you're coming from, I hated my 2019 also. It was quite warm even on idle. If a external display was connected the GPU had a bug where even at idle it used a lot of power and the whole machine was hot hot hot. Any work what so ever would make the fans unpleasantly audible.
M1/M2 Macs are in a completely different league. I'm on a 16" M1 Max and it is just a dream from a noise / temperature point of view. The fans _never_ come on during normal web dev work. And the laptop is cold to the touch. I only hear the fans come on during gaming and heavy compiling.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Does it have to be a laptop? For desktop systems, there are many more options.
I'm not aware of many fanless desktops outside of specialty systems.
Maybe industrial applications for dust-heavy environments or avoiding movable parts in a general make up most of the fanless niche, but some manufacturers offer desktop-like system as well. Desktop-like because extensibility is limited: these systems are typically built around mini-ITX boards, and the passive cooling solution may have limited options for cooling SSDs. Sustained CPU performance can be quite good, particularly with the Intel T series or the AMD equivalent.
DIY is a bit hit-or-miss because if you want a truly silent system, you need select components for absence of coil whine, and I haven't found a good way to do that yet.
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#120I put it on my M1 MBP for all of 15 minutes before giving up - I did not have high expectations as I am aware it's cutting edge stuff but it wasn't even remotely usable for me as a daily driver - the touchpad was wonky, konsole kept crashing and also anything drawing on the screen was annoyingly slow. Maybe the desktops work better? Good on them for trying and I don't mean this as a discouragement but realistically I…
Konsole keeps crashing everywhere, though. Don't use KDE.
Hmm I have used KDE on all my other desktops for quite some time now and maybe it has crashed couple times and always when using some obscure feature, not open and crash like here.