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Re: 256TB SSD from Samsung

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Post by tokamak-teapot »

jaggederest wrote: post #101
TeMPOraL wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't even have to set your sail; this landlubber likes likes to shoot videos with a smartphone, and these days, recording a few minutes of a family event, or even your plane taking off, in decent quality, will easily give you a multi-gigabyte video file. And that's for normal videos; $deity help you if you enable HDR. And yes, this is the universal answer to "how much storage is enough" - use cases will grow to cons…

I've actually found my videos are not increasing as rapidly as I would expect. I've been reencoding in x265 and the file size difference is shocking. Right now I'm not ditching the existing original files but I may do that at some point, or just offload to a cloud service like Glacier

I’m right up next to a limit on live (easily-accessible, always visible in photo apps) cloud storage, with years of family photos and video taking about 95% of that.

I definitely don’t want to delete any of it, so I have been just hoping for bigger storage to be offered soon, but…

I hadn’t considered that re-encoding could be an option. I take standalone snapshots of everything every few months so if re-encoding would make a significant difference I might have to try this.

Do you have any tips on tools, parameters etc. that work well for you, please?

Re: 256TB SSD from Samsung

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Post by Salgat »

wtallis wrote: post #105
haunter wrote: post #37

I was looking for some 8TB m2 drives recently and they are still surprisingly expensive, considering you can get 2TB ones on sale for less than $100. But there are barely any options too, still a niche market https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#A=600...

Aside from lack of demand, there are some significant technical reasons that contribute to 8TB M.2 drives being expensive niche products, both stemming from the fact that 8TB of flash is still a lot of chips: PC OEMs prefer M.2 SSDs that are single-sided because many thin laptop designs require that, and many low-end SSD controllers literally don't have the pin count necessary to interface with that many flash chips.

The lack of demand vanishes once prices come down to something reasonable.

Re: 256TB SSD from Samsung

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Post by drtgh »

canucker2016 wrote: post #57

It's QLC NAND (~1000 program/erase cycles from https://www.purestorage.com/knowledge/what-is-qlc-flash.html ). eesh. [Update] from https://www.anandtech.com/show/20007/samsung-teases-256-tb-s... : "Samsung's 256 TB SSD is based on 3D QLC NAND memory and probably uses innovative packaging to cram multiple 3D QLC NAND devices into stacks." 3D QLC should have higher endurance than regular QLC. We'll have to wait and see…

• 4-bit per cell = QLC ······ 1'000 write cycles per cell

• 3-bit per cell = TLC ······· 3'000 write cycles per cell

• 2-bit per cell = MLC ····· 10'000 write cycles per cell

• 2-bit per cell = eMLC ··· 30'000 write cycles per cell

• 1-bit per cell = SLC ··· 100'000 write cycles per cell

The above degradation cycles are optimist. Looks like the SSD technology is not evolving, but counter-evolving in terms of data integrity; there are neither MLC, eMLC nor SLC disk nowadays (seven years ago widely available).

Re: 256TB SSD from Samsung

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Post by haswell »

flir wrote: post #109
earthscienceman wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is bizarre to me. Cloud storage kills the need for small drives. So for the individual with modest storage needs, the cloud is relatively inexpensive and thought free. But the moment you get over 2TB the cloud gets extremely expensive. So if you're a person who needs to store a lot, large drives make a lot of sense. This to me, it's the opposite of observably true. You would think large drives would be most in d…

The cloud isn't supplying storage, the cloud is providing reasons not to need storage in the first place (piracy vs streaming).

Cloud services are providing both things.

Most of the people in my life rely on cloud storage for their digital lives - mostly Google Drive or iCloud. It’s the primary destination for photos and videos for many people, and services like Google docs both store files and remove the need for traditional local storage.

Re: 256TB SSD from Samsung

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Post by prmoustache »

diffeomorphism wrote: post #110
httpz wrote: post #59

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I think with the rise of streaming and cloud storage, the need for large storage devices on a personal level is really declining for most people.

I think with the pricing of cloud storage and photo, video and assets taking more and more space, the opposite is true. For example apple requires larger storage to even use prores: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212832 Or Baldur's gate 3 takes 123GB of storage for the install.

People swallow the cost because it is easier than migrating. My partner has made a lot of albums, tagging in google photos extensively. When her account reaches the free limit, I offered her to use google takeout and host her pictures in a local nextcloud instance but told her I didn't had immediate time to dig out if getting back tags and albums from google tameout's metadata was possible and she just grabbed her card details and subscribed to the drive expansion.

Gamers are an exception, but gaming is a niche market. Most people using computers are using laptops with integrated intel gpu and never install any game.

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Post by prmoustache »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #82
earthscienceman wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is bizarre to me. Cloud storage kills the need for small drives. So for the individual with modest storage needs, the cloud is relatively inexpensive and thought free. But the moment you get over 2TB the cloud gets extremely expensive. So if you're a person who needs to store a lot, large drives make a lot of sense. This to me, it's the opposite of observably true. You would think large drives would be most in d…

> Cloud storage kills the need for small drives. I'm not sure that cloud storage kills anything. There's reasonable mistrust in it and much of the world lives with unreliable infrastructure..

Most people aren't able to self-host and maintain a more reliable infra for various reasons: lack of knowledge, lack of free time, they don't necessarily have 2 different houses, lazyness, etc.

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Post by jaclaz »

jaggederest wrote: post #10
nmcela wrote: post #4

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I am 100.0% sure this is what someone has said for 256GB drives, 256MB drives, 256KB drives, and the same person will be saying it for 256YB drives.

I clearly remember getting an 80gb drive, circa 2001-2002 I think, and talking with my friends about how impossible it would be to ever fill.

If it helps, I bought circa 1993 an Apple Powerbook (for at the time an awful amount of money) running System 7, that came with 40, 80 or 120 MB disk:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powerbook_160

I chose the 80 MB version as the 40 was too little, and the 120 was way too much for non-professional use (impossible to ever fill).

Re: 256TB SSD from Samsung

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Post by cainxinth »

jaggederest wrote: post #10
nmcela wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am 100.0% sure this is what someone has said for 256GB drives, 256MB drives, 256KB drives, and the same person will be saying it for 256YB drives.

I clearly remember getting an 80gb drive, circa 2001-2002 I think, and talking with my friends about how impossible it would be to ever fill.

I remember being a kid at Babbages at the mall in the 90s and some guy told my friend and I that he just built a system with 8 gigs of storage, and my friend I talked about it endlessly as the coolest thing ever.

Re: 256TB SSD from Samsung

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Post by justinclift »

httpz wrote: post #59
haunter wrote: post #37

I was looking for some 8TB m2 drives recently and they are still surprisingly expensive, considering you can get 2TB ones on sale for less than $100. But there are barely any options too, still a niche market https://pcpartpicker.com/products/internal-hard-drive/#A=600...

I think with the rise of streaming and cloud storage, the need for large storage devices on a personal level is really declining for most people.

Alternatively, with the ever increasing exploiting of online providers, and the ongoing government led attacks on secure encryption, then maybe personal/local storage will turn out to be the smarter option after all. ;)
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