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Re: Nick Cave on ChatGPT and the creative process

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Post by wddkcs » Fri, Aug 11, 2023, 11:33 PM UTC

krapp wrote: post #109

wddkcs wrote: post #79

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Strong agree. I started writing a comic series in 2016, but had to stop in part because commissioning the art was prohibitively expensive. AI image generation is quickly erasing that ability gap. Most publically consumed art is made by large teams, which naturally leads to a dilution of a singular artists vision. With the current quality mass media, I'm excited to see singular geniuses with the power of whole product…

Those "singular geniuses" aren't producing anything truly creative or unique, they're just typing "x in the style of Joe Quesada" (or whomever) into a textbox. AI isn't erasing the gap, it's just making the theft of other artists' work easier, and putting the artists themselves out of business. All for software that doesn't even allow real freedom of creative control, or autonomy of vision - the best you can ever do…

You're responding to your own argument here, not mine. I'm saying the next generation of artists will be blessed with tools that greatly expand their capabilities. Arguing otherwise, is like saying Photoshop, or VFX, did nothing to push art forward over the last 40 years.

Obviously, AI training data is a touchy topic. I completely agree artist should be compensated. To what degree is a hard question.

As to whether or not I should be making comics- I have story to express and there are tools available to express it. I really don't care what you or anyone else thinks about the validity of that expression. That's what makes it art. You talk like someone who has never produced art.

Re: Nick Cave on ChatGPT and the creative process

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Post by CatWChainsaw » Mon, Aug 14, 2023, 2:58 PM UTC

fnovd wrote: post #65

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There is nothing un-artistic about wanting to both make art and to be able to afford rent, dinner, and pants.

There is a difference between "making money and making art" and "making money by making art". No one is entitled to having other people value their artistic output. I would argue that art created for the marketplace is less creative than art produced by a human's need to create for creation's sake. It's not un-artistic, but it is the kind of art that an AI can make better, faster, and cheaper.

Optimizing/maximizing the output of art is an awfully mechanical way of looking at ART.

Re: Nick Cave on ChatGPT and the creative process

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Post by mitjam » Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 11:47 AM UTC

rambojohnson wrote: post #105

mitjam wrote: post #95

“Art is in the eye of the beholder, and everyone will have their own interpretation.” ― E.A. Bucchianeri, Brushstrokes of a Gadfly. For me, the job of art is to make us stumble and break out of automatic recognition patterns. Art helps us see, listen, and think in a fresh way. Great art inspires "imitation" and own creations as well as discussions and controversy. If you look at it this way, being able to create virt…

Saying "art is in the eye of the beholder" is an oversimplification. Art is deeply connected to context and culture, and to argue that anything qualifies as art is to sever it from what lends it significance and substance. It is BEAUTY, instead, that truly resides in the eye of the observer.

The oversimplification critique applies to almost everything. Beauty is also deeply connected with culture. What I wanted to highlight ist that it is not the act of production that decides: what is art? (for me at least). From the artist‘s point of view, the desire to set a sign, or to „put a dent in the universe“, to create something new, inspiring, different, is more art-defining than mastering a craft. In German there is a saying: If you can do something, it is not art. In that sense art is, what you cannot (yet) do, because of missing technique, convention, fear, creative enlightenment, etc. Often, great art is an act of courage at it‘s time that helped to pave the way.