Damn. I thought skipping breakfast is good for adults (I'm 40). Anyway, let's say late night eating is bad. But many programmers I know (including myself) are more productive at night. But working = hungry. How do you handle this contradiction?
Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes
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#112They interviewed 310 ppl, calculated their BMI, then found out around half skip breakfast. That half had BMI a little higher than the rest. No discussion of what they eat. What a waste of time for everyone involved.
The authors found no correlation between skipping breakfast and HbA1c. That's also more relevant to people with Type 2 diabetes than the general population.
Managing type 2 diabetes can occupy a non-trivial amount of mental space. Though probably not as much as managing type one diabetes.
Not everyone is in everyone intended audience.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
My guess would be that it's people drinking diet soda, salad dressing, sugar+cream in their twenty coffees before lunch, and/or bread. It's entirely based on my experience with folks at the office. I, myself, don't eat breakfast for anxiety / gallbladder removal reasons (I also don't eat lunch when I'm not at/close to home for it), and my fat ass is from a horrid soda addiction as a kid.
Sugar and related carbs really is the worst, eat whole plate of baked potatoes and meat, sated for the rest of the day, eat the carb equivalent in pastries and brain is still in "want more" mode...
Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes
#114Perhaps this might have more applicability to diabetic patients in Europe, specifically those who follow the Mediterranean diet due to socio-geographic reasons.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do people keep making this argument? It's a terrible argument. BMI and body fat are extremely strongly correlated. People with a very high BMI are all obese or morbidly obese. And people with a very low BMI are almost all underweight. BMI is a very simple, easy to calculate and useful metric. It works across countries and across time. BMI is just one metric. It doesn't tell you everything and knowing only the BMI…
> People with a very high BMI are all obese or morbidly obese. That is tautological - obesity is defined in terms of BMI. BMI over 30 is obese. Arnold Schwarzenegger is 6'2" and weighed 235lbs at contest (30.2 BMI) and 260lbs in the off season (33.4 BMI). So much for your "all" claim.
Re: Effect of Breakfast Skipping and Late Night Eating on BMI with Type 2 Diabetes
#116They interviewed 310 ppl, calculated their BMI, then found out around half skip breakfast. That half had BMI a little higher than the rest. No discussion of what they eat. What a waste of time for everyone involved.
On one hand, I like the publishing policy of NIH, because more dissemination of information is a good thing. But on the other, so many people gloss over or are just blatantly unaware that NIH specifically doesn't endorse anything about anything published there, that they're just a clearing house. And then people either infer authority from the domain, or they use that to consciously or subconsciously push their belie…
The journal this article is from is from is Cureus: https://www.cureus.com/
Their tagline seems to be "publishing beyond open access" and to my eye at least looks like a 3rd tier journal.
But NIH really has nothing to do with it, they're just a catalog. Libraries have tons of bullshit in them. You are supposed to be the filter.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do people keep making this argument? It's a terrible argument. BMI and body fat are extremely strongly correlated. People with a very high BMI are all obese or morbidly obese. And people with a very low BMI are almost all underweight. BMI is a very simple, easy to calculate and useful metric. It works across countries and across time. BMI is just one metric. It doesn't tell you everything and knowing only the BMI…
> People with a very high BMI are all obese or morbidly obese. That is tautological - obesity is defined in terms of BMI. BMI over 30 is obese. Arnold Schwarzenegger is 6'2" and weighed 235lbs at contest (30.2 BMI) and 260lbs in the off season (33.4 BMI). So much for your "all" claim.
There exist better metrics as well
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The model disregards ridiculous outliers like world class bodybuilders in order to be simple and useful for the other 99.999% of society.
According to BMI I spent years "obese" and am now "overweight" bordering on obese. I'm about 16-18% body fat. I'm definitely muscular, but hardly in the .0001%. If I'm wearing a shirt, you can't really tell that I lift. Hardly world class.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you maybe hoping for a metric of general healthiness? Measuring body fat accurately on your own is tough. Most people know their height and can find a scale to use so you can get a rough idea of what bucket you're in. It's good for most people. If you're working out and pretty athletic idk why you'd stress about your bmi being a little high.
sadly it's often misused. When there are things like BMI qualifications on medical interventions or where jobs have physical requirements. I knew a guy who really wanted to join the fire service but couldn't meet the BMI requirements as he was in the 'obese' BMI bucket, In this case he was just very broad and very muscular (built like the colloquial brick shithouse). By their requirements jonah lomu would not have be…
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
According to BMI I spent years "obese" and am now "overweight" bordering on obese. I'm about 16-18% body fat. I'm definitely muscular, but hardly in the .0001%. If I'm wearing a shirt, you can't really tell that I lift. Hardly world class.
Is your sense that having excessive muscle weight is somehow healthy in a way that isn’t reflected in the BMI classification?