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We are all animals at night

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Re: We are all animals at night

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Let's get this straight. The person blessed with what is basically a panhandling superpower -- an attractive female body -- somehow says her marks , the ones paying $80, have an entitled attitude toward sexual attention. Pause and think about that. Do you think these guys had a Plan B to buy them an English degree? These places conduct zero-sum economic activity. One person loses money, one person gains money, and no…

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Re: We are all animals at night

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This is how I feel coming from the trades into the offices, my colleagues are often surprised when I say the work we do is easy.

I mean, if this was true, then why do office workers generally earn more?

Trades peak lower, which drives the average higher for white collar work, but I think if you look at the median income for both, trades are actually higher. FWIW.

Re: We are all animals at night

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Ive worked nights in manual & technical jobs and also found (and miss) the camaraderie she describes. I think a lot of it is more due to us being diurnal animals though, theres plenty of shitty jobs active during the day and theres just something fundamentally lonely/scary/exciting about working at night.

Places that seem full are quiet and have a different character completely. You can hear echos of footsteps. Weather seems to be accentuated. Your going the opposite direction to everyone at the start and end of your shift. Its strange at a low level and everyone you meet is "in it" too.

Re: We are all animals at night

#114

Let's get this straight. The person blessed with what is basically a panhandling superpower -- an attractive female body -- somehow says her marks , the ones paying $80, have an entitled attitude toward sexual attention. Pause and think about that. Do you think these guys had a Plan B to buy them an English degree? These places conduct zero-sum economic activity. One person loses money, one person gains money, and no…

I had similar thoughts.

She gets to take money from lonely men and then call them the bad guys.

Saying it out loud costs HN points though.

Re: We are all animals at night

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Let's get this straight. The person blessed with what is basically a panhandling superpower -- an attractive female body -- somehow says her marks , the ones paying $80, have an entitled attitude toward sexual attention. Pause and think about that. Do you think these guys had a Plan B to buy them an English degree? These places conduct zero-sum economic activity. One person loses money, one person gains money, and no…

Fairness in society quickly becomes a can of worms. It is unfair that someone can make $80/h in the gig economy because of their body, but what about $80/h the coder makes because they can think a certain way, which carries on being paid as they slam that fusball into the goal, or snore in a meeting.

Re: We are all animals at night

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> I don’t see the negatives other commenters are pointing out. Yes she’s talking about her perceptions born from her clients and years worked. That’s an absolute right for all of us, right? To simply relate the experiences we’ve had. She's not "simply relating experiences" though. She goes beyond that, turning them into a general sociopolitical claim: > Unlike sex work, my “good” jobs didn’t threaten to overthrow tra…

That, too, is simple. And ok. And ok to agree/disagree.

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Re: We are all animals at night

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> I felt little of the camaraderie I once did while working night shifts. I’m unsure why I felt this dissonance, and it occurs to me now that it could have been more self-imposed than anything. I doubt it. I've worked days and nights at different times in the same place, at a couple of jobs in different parts of the country. There's a real difference between what people are like in the daytime and nighttime worlds, a…

What do you think causes this difference?

There is a comradery in that it sucks, you know it sucks and that we are just getting through it. No one is out to "get" you. You are also part of the suck club.

The second you get another job they are reminded of all the people who take advantage of people in the suck club. You got out. They didn't.

Re: We are all animals at night

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The general impression I get from the article (and similar reports) is that patrons of sex workers in general do not seek the mechanical aspects of sex. They also do not seek power. What the largest majority seek is validation. The big breakthrough would be robots that provided the emotional need of human connection and validation. If the mind could be tricked into a similar state as being in the center of a strong s…

There's a community of people who really seek out "AI girlfriends". Once or twice a year I sort of peek in and see what they are doing. What surprises me is how bad the tech is. It's "mediocre chatbot" level currently and yet these people are VERY happy with it, spending hundreds a month and having all sort of custom artwork done. For a meaningful percentage of the pop, very low fidelity tech, even at an extreme pric…

that’s fascinating.

can you point to anything where one could start exploring this area further?

Re: We are all animals at night

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how I feel coming from the trades into the offices, my colleagues are often surprised when I say the work we do is easy.

I mean, if this was true, then why do office workers generally earn more?

Who earned more, the architect for the pharoahs pyramid or the person pushing one of the massive slabs of rock?

Which job was harder?

Re: We are all animals at night

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post #105
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how I feel coming from the trades into the offices, my colleagues are often surprised when I say the work we do is easy.

I mean, if this was true, then why do office workers generally earn more?

Who earned more, the architect for the pharaohs pyramid or the people pushing one of the massive slabs of rock? Which job was harder?
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