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Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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Marijuana (along with multi-lingualism) is a big reason why the Mormon-American community is significantly over-represented in the US intelligence community.

Missionary work is great training for intelligence operations.

Has been throughout history!

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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Spying prevents war. It's easier to get into a war if you don't really understand each other. Not to mention if you don't know who has missiles pointed at you.

Like Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine...

Yes, the first two were caused by Cheney ignoring CIA advice and the third was caused by Putin doing the equivalent.

Are you claiming the US shouldn't help Ukraine know where the missiles being shot at their civilians are coming from?

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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I remember when I was in the Navy, running a nuclear power plant on a ship that carried nuclear weapons, and the Chief of the Boat regularly showed up to work so drunk he couldn't speak (having driven himself to work) and everyone ignored it and when juniors complained seniors threatened to fabricate charges against them to shut them up, and listening to that guy scream and yell about how anyone who smokes cannabis i…

I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there.

I use cannabis sometimes but it's more the principal of it.

It's a privacy violation and positive results don't actually mean you're intoxicated on the job. What people do in their free time is nobodies business so long as it's not harming other people.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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post #57

Marijuana (along with multi-lingualism) is a big reason why the Mormon-American community is significantly over-represented in the US intelligence community.

There are Mormons outside America?

Big church right in the middle of Paris. On prime, riverside real estate. That can't be cheap and last time I passed by it was missionaries and exchange students coming in and out.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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Frankly, I'd have to be high to accept a job in the intelligence community. I was recruited once in college, got a bad feeling and never regretted it for a second. Democracies shouldn't have giant unaccountable spy orgs.

> Democracies shouldn't have giant unaccountable spy orgs.

All governments on the planet have giant unaccountable spy orgs.

Why should a democracy forgo one of the most effective tools the world has ever seen? Accountability is a strange word to use with any government agency. Most government bodies are only accountable to themselves.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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post #57

Marijuana (along with multi-lingualism) is a big reason why the Mormon-American community is significantly over-represented in the US intelligence community.

There are Mormons outside America?

Central America is their largest growing sector IIRC.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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I remember when I was in the Navy, running a nuclear power plant on a ship that carried nuclear weapons, and the Chief of the Boat regularly showed up to work so drunk he couldn't speak (having driven himself to work) and everyone ignored it and when juniors complained seniors threatened to fabricate charges against them to shut them up, and listening to that guy scream and yell about how anyone who smokes cannabis i…

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Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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Like Afghanistan, Iraq, Ukraine...

Yes, the first two were caused by Cheney ignoring CIA advice and the third was caused by Putin doing the equivalent. Are you claiming the US shouldn't help Ukraine know where the missiles being shot at their civilians are coming from?

CIA said 4 days RUS will be in Kiev! Honestly, CIA has one of the worst human intel. My only hope is these pot-heads in their hope of scoring some weed would actually learn the local languages.

Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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I remember when I was in the Navy, running a nuclear power plant on a ship that carried nuclear weapons, and the Chief of the Boat regularly showed up to work so drunk he couldn't speak (having driven himself to work) and everyone ignored it and when juniors complained seniors threatened to fabricate charges against them to shut them up, and listening to that guy scream and yell about how anyone who smokes cannabis i…

I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there. I use cannabis sometimes but it's more the principal of it. It's a privacy violation and positive results don't actually mean you're intoxicated on the job. What people do in their free time is nobodies business so long as it's not harming other people.

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Re: Senate votes to let people who’ve used marijuana work at intelligence agencies

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A (very talented) friend of mine was supposed to work at the White House during the Obama admin. He got as far as signing documents and moving from California to Washington DC. That was when they told him that his offer was rescinded for past use of marijuana. They said there were no exceptions to the rule, but it was the only reason he was denied.

I know multiple people with clearances who have used marijuana and significantly harder drugs as well and were honest about this on their clearance paperwork. I obviously don't know the specifics of your friend's case but it is not true in general that intelligence agencies (White House may be different or maybe was in the past) must deny you for past marijuana use, particularly if you admit to it early on. Edit: mar…

Places like the FBI used to have a specific number like you can’t have used marijuana more than 5 times. And then they’d polygraph you. But yes I knew people as well with normal TS clearances who had disclosed hard drugs but some intel organizations have stricter rules beyond that.
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