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Damaging results of mandated return to the office: it’s worse than we thought

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Re: Damaging results of mandated return to the office: it’s worse than we thought

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It is unclear who wants RTO, at least within tech and other leaders whom I know within tech.

I prefer RTO and being in the office with the entire team. That doesn't make me crazy, and I know several others on my team feel the same way.

Do you enjoy the unpaid commute time?

Re: Damaging results of mandated return to the office: it’s worse than we thought

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...Is this article plagiarized from this article posted June 26: https://www.entrepreneur.com/growing-a-business/the-damaging... ? It was even submitted to HN and had a few hundred comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36500448

Yahoo often syndicates articles from other sources. I've seen articles from my local paper on Yahoo. The author is the same in both links.

Re: Damaging results of mandated return to the office: it’s worse than we thought

#113

...Is this article plagiarized from this article posted June 26: https://www.entrepreneur.com/growing-a-business/the-damaging... ? It was even submitted to HN and had a few hundred comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36500448

It’s contributed by the same author. Not exactly a duplicate , but sort of?

Re: Damaging results of mandated return to the office: it’s worse than we thought

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post #50

I reclaim 1.5 hours a day from work from home, so a mandated back to work would actually represent a 6 point pay cut on the day assuming I thought that through properly. I don’t even have an egregious commute compared to others. Never mind that all of a sudden I no longer need before and after daycare. I have a home gym and can acceptably exercise at lunch. I don’t have peer pressures to go out for lunch all the time…

> transparently a middle management “I’m still relevant!” Which makes one wonder who the people who kept posting on here how much they missed the office and wished we'd go back to the office during the pandemic actually were.

I don't like working from home, but I hate mandated RTO because of all the antisocial behavior people bring into the office from their WFH days (loud meetings at their desks, brushing their teeth at their desks, Das keyboards, etc.).

Re: Damaging results of mandated return to the office: it’s worse than we thought

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those who are entering the workforce, remote working is fun for greybeards and terrible for fresh grads, interns and apprentices.

The thing is, the supposed mentorship and office culture that fresh grads and neophyte employees believe they are missing largely never existed even before COVID. - Companies just aren't interested in training people if they can hire someone trained somewhere else. - Project-based time accounting doesn't account for time spent mentoring and transferring knowledge. - Some older workers withhold knowledge and aren't pu…

There's nothing precluding people from mentoring others over the net, through chat and video.

I see people mention in these threads that in-person mentoring and networking is somehow "just better", but no source or wide-population evidence is ever provided. It's always "trust me bro" and "it helped me", whereas the reality is a lot closer to what you described.

There are lots of companies with shitty in-office cultures where new employees get hazed and bullied, but never productively mentored. Either way, for the last 15-20 years at least, the burden of learning has been almost entirely on the employee, regardless of whatever corporate PR drones may say.

Re: Damaging results of mandated return to the office: it’s worse than we thought

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post #102

Every time this topic comes up on HN, I see many anecdotes on why WFO is bad. My anecdote: I work from the office everyday (unforced). 20-30 minutes commute. I come in at 6am/7am and leave at 2pm/3pm. I do a 30 minutes calisthenics session and then head home and usually leave my laptop in the office (as a forcing function to disconnect). The result: I have built strong bonds with colleagues outside my team. A few of…

How long is your commute? I'm in the middle on this: I have a very good office at the moment, and am content to be there and chat with my coworkers, but that doesn't make the commuting any less of a deadweight loss. It also makes it far easier to organize e.g. work on the house or dental appointments.

20-30 minutes. This includes a little cycling I need to do, else the time is 35+ minutes.

Re: Damaging results of mandated return to the office: it’s worse than we thought

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post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you not advertising that it's 60% in-office? It seems surprising that multiple people would see that and go the whole way to an offer without self-selecting out.

We are. I think in both cases people were selecting between us and another job. One said he was taking another job for 10k LESS (GBP) but full remote. (As always, the stated reasons might not be accurate)

The cost of maintaining transportation and the unpaid hours from a commute are quite significant. Depending upon their circumstances they could be taking home more money even being paid less.

Re: Damaging results of mandated return to the office: it’s worse than we thought

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> transparently a middle management “I’m still relevant!” Which makes one wonder who the people who kept posting on here how much they missed the office and wished we'd go back to the office during the pandemic actually were.

I don't like working from home, but I hate mandated RTO because of all the antisocial behavior people bring into the office from their WFH days (loud meetings at their desks, brushing their teeth at their desks, Das keyboards, etc.).

Those have nothing to do with WFH, they're regular office behavior and one well known reason for why many people hate going to the office.

Re: Damaging results of mandated return to the office: it’s worse than we thought

#119

It is unclear who wants RTO, at least within tech and other leaders whom I know within tech.

I prefer RTO and being in the office with the entire team. That doesn't make me crazy, and I know several others on my team feel the same way.

Your preferences would do a very quick 180 if you had a commute over a certain length in order to get to the office.

Understand that your current preference is a result of being in an advantageous living accommodation next to the office building your company is leasing.

Re: Damaging results of mandated return to the office: it’s worse than we thought

#120
post #50

I reclaim 1.5 hours a day from work from home, so a mandated back to work would actually represent a 6 point pay cut on the day assuming I thought that through properly. I don’t even have an egregious commute compared to others. Never mind that all of a sudden I no longer need before and after daycare. I have a home gym and can acceptably exercise at lunch. I don’t have peer pressures to go out for lunch all the time…

> transparently a middle management “I’m still relevant!” Which makes one wonder who the people who kept posting on here how much they missed the office and wished we'd go back to the office during the pandemic actually were.

Yes, it seems weird so many HN folks seemed to pine for the office when the statistics show a different picture.
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