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Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by SoftTalker »

sublinear wrote: post #75
packetlost wrote: post #68

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> This is a huge game changer for the vast majority of folks on HN that are looking at a terminal, text editor, or docs for 90% of their day. Hard disagree. Unless you're not typing all that much and particularly insensitive to input latency, you're not going to want to do too much typing on these. I know I couldn't stand it.

Input latency is really bad even at 24hz. My typing speed slows down dramatically and typos feel so painful to correct compared to 60hz and above.

Way back in the day I remember using a terminal (TeleVideo maybe?) where the characters just sort of faded in as you typed. The latency was really bad. But I got used to it pretty quickly and didn't find it really bothersome.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

sublinear wrote: post #105
mdp2021 wrote: post #96

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Some of us suspended the habit to look at the text while typing (on systems with latency), and look at the typed only periodically (off, on, off, on).

I get that you're talking about situations like typing into a remote terminal, but this technique still causes eye strain which brings us back to square one with slow eink displays which are like this all day long.

I was talking chiefly about typing on EPD :) (Soooo many keystrokes, so many hours.) I personally felt no eye strain - it may depend on your ability to adapt into the process.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by reckless »

jseliger wrote: post #101
myself248 wrote: post #79

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RM2 ex-pat club member here too! Beautiful design, bizarrely crippled user experience. They put a wifi+bt chip on the board, but didn't connect the bluetooth signals, so you couldn't use a bluetooth keyboard with it like any other tablet. And a zillion other frustrations. I sold it to a friend after making super sure he was okay with the limitations and wouldn't blame me for selling him a lemon.

I've written about this on HN before, but the RM2 people don't make the device show up as a standard USB device, which makes file manipulations hard. I think this is an effort to sell their "cloud" server stuff for a few dollars a month. That's not been the effect on me; instead, I barely use mine, and complain about it on the Internet.

True but what you can do is SSH to the device and install a custom launcher for apps that can read standard epubs, play chess, or expose the linux terminal on device.

Not great for basic users but I've had significantly more use out of it with some advanced setup.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by mdp2021 »

mdp2021 wrote: post #61
nashashmi wrote: post #14

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I cannot understand the fascination behind seeing e-ink displays play video. The tech is a "display once, use forever" kind of display. Otoh, video needs bright vivid screens, gaming level quality. Quite the opposite of what a "display once use forever" tech would be suitable for.

Because you want to see content for its effect. Others may want to use content for its information. And different video effects are optimal for different environments (e.g. lightning).

> lightning

(This is what happens when you say to yourself, "You mean lighting, do not write lightning".)

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by plagiarist »

jseliger wrote: post #101
myself248 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

RM2 ex-pat club member here too! Beautiful design, bizarrely crippled user experience. They put a wifi+bt chip on the board, but didn't connect the bluetooth signals, so you couldn't use a bluetooth keyboard with it like any other tablet. And a zillion other frustrations. I sold it to a friend after making super sure he was okay with the limitations and wouldn't blame me for selling him a lemon.

I've written about this on HN before, but the RM2 people don't make the device show up as a standard USB device, which makes file manipulations hard. I think this is an effort to sell their "cloud" server stuff for a few dollars a month. That's not been the effect on me; instead, I barely use mine, and complain about it on the Internet.

I always check for cloud server bullshit before a purchase. I lost all interest when proprietary cloud appeared to be the only thing set up for syncing.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by 23B1 »

chaosprint wrote: post #70

I owned lots of E-ink devices. I got a Boox Mira 13 inch screen and it works well on both Mac/Windows. On Windows I can even have some touchscreen interaction. But I have to warn you!!!! that your mouse is not going to work as it feels very different. So I use it only to read news, reply emails and messages. Coding, video, and gaming would be impossible! The same thing would 100% go to this new display. I have also g…

Have been thinking about one of these for writing. Is it something you recommend for that express purpose?

Note: I can't just use an e-ink screen w/keyboard and a simple text editor, I used a handful of specialized writing programs like Scrivener and FinalDraft and often collaborate in Gdocs, so I need something that mirrors the screen of a personal computer unfortunately. My goal is to be able to spend more time outdoors writing in the sun, which I can't do without a clunky laptop hood or other hacky solution...

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by orbital-decay »

mdp2021 wrote: post #109
orbital-decay wrote: post #106

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It absolutely is the property of technology. You fundamentally need the see-through layer, and there's not a lot of materials that meet all requirements (optical transparency, durability, finish, coatings, etc); essentially it's plastics and glasses. In that sense, EPD isn't any different from other display tech.

Why would EPD be different from LCD natively shipped with anti-glare coating, or selected good matte films for our glass-based displays (e.g. "smartphones")?

It isn't, that's my point. Both fundamentally have the same issues with glare, contrary to the OP claim that EPD is somehow glare-free. It can be mitigated a bit but getting to the glare level of actual paper (essentially zero) is probably not possible without major tradeoffs.

Re: Paperlike Color: Color E-Ink Monitor

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Post by rpozarickij »

skerit wrote: post #3

Awesome, though I need this in a laptop.

Lenovo ThinkBook Plus Twist[0] has been announced a while ago already. It should have a 12-inch color e-ink display in addition to a regular display.

It was supposed to become available in June 2023, but there's only silence.

[0]: https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/thinkbook-p...

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