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Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by flyinghamster »

ThatPlayer wrote: post #31
high_5 wrote: post #7

Call me cynical but building a client for a user hostile service is a sign of a Stockholm syndrome.

I do something similar with a different user hostile website with lots of user generated content: scraped all the content, and built a viewer. I would love to not have to, but the contributors I follow are still on the site instead of the less user hostile alternatives. Running a web scraper is easier than convincing all the users to change to a different site, and the (user-generated) content is good enough that I'm…

Browser extensions (either bespoke or existing content blockers) could be another way to deal with user-hostile sites. Unfortunately, with either approach, it becomes a cat-and-mouse game the second the extension or scraper becomes popular.

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by Bystander22 »

stainablesteel wrote: post #107
denysvitali wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which migrated away because of all the API mess :D

where did they migrate to? i'm still looking for a replacement to the r/python community that was [tyrannically] taken down by mods who hid a poll to do so under some vaguely named sticky post that was the most useful place to find new python projects on the internet and i'm still peeved that the mods didn't propose any new place for the users to go

>some vaguely named sticky post

June 7: 'Should r/Python participate in the June 12th Blackout'

https://imgur.com/a/A2gfdmd

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by cxr »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #87
bloopernova wrote: post #76

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Thank you . People don't seem to recognize that someone replying so negatively and provocatively isn't engaging in good faith. They're either an idiot or a troll, and neither is worth the effort. Downvote, flag, move on.

> People don't seem to recognize that someone replying so negatively and provocatively isn't engaging in good faith. People can disagree with you and be in good faith. It's a common tactic to say someone who disagrees with you but you can't prove wrong is engaging in bad faith. Let's have a solid look at this interaction. * Someone says Reddit is user hostile. * I claim it's not. * Someone claim's they're actively ma…

> * Someone says Reddit is user hostile.

> * I claim it's not.

The problem lies partially in the fact that you haven't defined what "user hostile" means. (In fact, neither of you have. And you could try to [disingenuously] argue that the burden to define it lies with the person you're responding to and that you don't have any such burden, but that would be a junk argument—provably wrong, since the claim that it's not user hostile is as strong of a claim as claiming that it is.) So, a simple litmus test to see if you're acting in good faith: simply state which definition of "user hostile" you're using. Place the goalposts.

What is a definition of the phrase that, if it were observed/shown/proven, you would concede that the subject of the discussion is guilty of acting in a user hostile way?

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by joshstrange »

mavamaarten wrote: post #108
joshstrange wrote: post #101

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There a couple of communities I miss (mostly small ones) like my city/state subs and a few games but yeah, I'm surprised at how quickly I flipped off that switch. I've played with Lemmy some but there just isn't much content there (that I care about). I followed the "memes" "subreddit" (literally no idea what they are called) to see more content and then very quickly remembered why I had purged my Reddit subs of stuf…

Same experience here. I still find myself googling with site:reddit to find real answers to questions, but I did manage to break the mindless scrolling habit. Uninstalling the Sync app and leaving an empty gap where the shortcut used to be on my home screen was eye opening. I tapped that empty void multiple times a day at first.

I had to move Apollo off my home page because I kept tapping and getting annoyed. It surprised me how often I tried to tap there even after moving it.

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by thesuitonym »

denysvitali wrote: post #96
rkangel wrote: post #89

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Surely the lesson from Reddit (and Twitter and every other commercial social media entity) is that we shouldn't put our trust in a single organisation? if you're going to take the "pain" of moving away from the network effect of your existing walled garden, surely it would better to move to something with a better governance model, like a federated solution? Lemmy is far from perfect but I have found it to provide a…

Which is sort of also what you're doing with federated platforms. Just look at what's happening with Meta's Threads and Mastodon. In the end you'll always have someone in the driver seat deciding for you who's going to see what (by not federating with threads.net for example). In a similar fashion, the code is AGPLv3 so you can run your own instance in both cases

The difference with a federated solution is that if you don't like the driver, you can switch to a different one.

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by thesuitonym »

stainablesteel wrote: post #107
denysvitali wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which migrated away because of all the API mess :D

where did they migrate to? i'm still looking for a replacement to the r/python community that was [tyrannically] taken down by mods who hid a poll to do so under some vaguely named sticky post that was the most useful place to find new python projects on the internet and i'm still peeved that the mods didn't propose any new place for the users to go

It's commonly considered bad form to not read the stickies on a forum you're posting on.

Here's an old, but handy guide to using internet forums (Posting And You): https://youtu.be/1t2mblcFQ-Q

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by thesuitonym »

denysvitali wrote: post #36

You can do the opposite: take the Reddit apps that aren't working anymore, do a one line change [1] (to use https://api.rings.social ) and you're now able to use a Reddit client to browse Rings [2][3] - a Reddit API compatible content-voting platform licensed as AGPLv3. [1]: https://github.com/rings-social/Infinity-For-Rings/commit/cd... [2]: https://rings.social [3]: https://github.com/rings-social

How are there 3094892 subscribers to /r/news but only 6 posts (Seven if you count the one reply)?

What does Rings offer over Lemmy?

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by denysvitali »

thesuitonym wrote: post #117
denysvitali wrote: post #36

You can do the opposite: take the Reddit apps that aren't working anymore, do a one line change [1] (to use https://api.rings.social ) and you're now able to use a Reddit client to browse Rings [2][3] - a Reddit API compatible content-voting platform licensed as AGPLv3. [1]: https://github.com/rings-social/Infinity-For-Rings/commit/cd... [2]: https://rings.social [3]: https://github.com/rings-social

How are there 3094892 subscribers to /r/news but only 6 posts (Seven if you count the one reply)? What does Rings offer over Lemmy?

https://github.com/rings-social/backend/blob/5ad749ded69fff2...

Rings gives an API compatibility layer for Reddit that should make the transition from Reddit to Rings easier - if the app developers decide to switch their app endpoints.

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by jorams »

dabeeeenster wrote: post #54
jorams wrote: post #29

So this thing is advertised as a "Reddit client without using their API", but then it uses the reddit API for everything. The JSON endpoints are part of the API. It's how all apps get the content of subreddits, comments, etc. It's odd that they're still open for unauthenticated access, but I expect that to change.

How would reddit block them?

They can just turn off the .json endpoints for unauthenticated requests. Their own clients use a non-public GraphQL API that (supposedly, I haven't checked) uses elaborate fingerprinting to stop outside access. When I said "all apps" I should probably have clarified that it's all 3rd-party apps.

Re: Geddit: Open-source, Reddit client for Android without using API

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Post by Terr_ »

kaba0 wrote: post #63
that_guy_iain wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say Reddit is user hostile. Recent actions have been to make profitable companies pay for API access. That isn't hostile to users. It's hostile to parasite companies who make a profit from your product while taking away from your revenue. There are a select group of users who decided to vandalise the site in response. They were allowed to do so for a small period of time. In fact, some hardcore groups are…

Good job eating up their propaganda! There is nothing wrong with asking for money for the API use, if it is a reasonable amount. (Still a bit questionable, as reddit is literally leeching on user-generated content, they themselves provide very little in the equation) But these were clearly meant to stop third-party apps completely — compute is ridiculously cheap, especially when you mostly serve easily cache-able tex…

There's also the dishonesty of Reddit's explanation for the money-grab.

They claimed it was to curb the large-scale harvesting of content for AI models, but then they abruptly demanded everyone everywhere pay excessive fees regardless of identity or purpose or usage patterns.

In contrast, the big and significant actors in that space could have been dissuaded by a terms of service change combined with some rate limits.

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