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A Look at Bluesky

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Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by fueloil »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #38
reflexco wrote: post #13

One thing I don't understand is how can Bluesky pretend to be more open than Twitter when it's been months and it's still an invite-only closed garden?

Well, it's still under a massive amount of development. Most basic features aren't there. Such as I can't change my email I used when I signed up. This is an issue for people since I typo'd it when I signed up. You can't change your password, you can create new app passwords. Since these are super basic features, it kinda shows how all the other stuff are. Realistically, I don't think it could handle a full enslaught…

I would be grateful if someone could send me an invite: zonay at msn dot com

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by Zetice »

julietteeb wrote: post #93
nathancahill wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Curious if it was (partially) written using ChatGPT. It definitely has that tone.

Author here, I don’t use ChatGPT to write any of my posts.

I give you this feedback with respect and to help you become a better writer, because I believe you are capable of substantially more:

This was not a high quality piece of writing. It doesn’t appear as if you spent any time at all learning about the topic, and you did not express yourself well, even when trying to articulate your ignorant points.

If English is not your first language, I totally understand and applaud the effort to learn a second language, but if English is your first language, this is the work product of a child.

You need to put more effort into two main areas to improve your writing: research and structure. I cannot overstate how poorly constructed this post is, and how thoroughly it undermines your effort to make an argument.

You can learn to improve! It’s a skill, like anything else, and your natural curiosity is what drove you this far, but you will need to work at writing if you want to get better at it.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by Sunspark »

tsimionescu wrote: post #23
mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

> I think more and more people are getting fed up with centralized platforms / not owning their data. Given the meteoric rise of TikTok, I don't think there is any sign of this being true outside a small techy bubble. At least, not as a percentage (that is, the growth in the number of people who are fed up with centralized platforms is dwarfed by the growth in the number of people who are fine with centralized platfo…

It becomes true the second one expresses something that someone else does not wish to be seen/disagree with, and they not only remove it, but they also ban the account (and do this anonymously). At that point one realizes the downside of centralized platforms and dictators-for-life.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by Sunspark »

rchaud wrote: post #99
klabb3 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well we may learn the hard way. Lots and lots of good old regular people have quit Facebook and stay off Twitter and many other engagement-optimized platforms. These companies have a poor reputation, for good reason. It’s just not 2010 anymore, and the cracks are starting to show. If a new platform such as bluesky, activitypub or Nostr becomes dominant, people will certainly point to this era in particular as a precu…

But seeing as it is no longer 2010, what is the public's appetite for yet another twitter-like app?

There is still a large appetite, but people won't use their real names anymore.

And they shouldn't. Part of being a kid is exploring interactions and learning from mistakes. Can you imagine growing up in a society where your account follows you from elementary school and anyone can review it? Even if you are the utmost in social propriety, but have a hobby that you enjoy, someone is going to disapprove of it or your fandom and penalize you accordingly. Post too much? Penalized. Post too little? Penalized.

The world is not a fair or equitable place, and so, we should not design systems that enable bullies.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by Sunspark »

emptysongglass wrote: post #51
voytec wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Linda Yaccarino is Twitter's CEO. In relationships like this, the CEO (or country's president) often has handlers and little decision-making autonomy. Not saying this is the case but I'm not confident it isn't. Jack is a power-hungry opportunist who throws money at anything that can give him wealth and status in the future.

You appear to want to make this into something it isn't. Bluesky isn't beholden to Jack's wishes and has repeatedly and publicly affirmed the same. I don't care about Jack and neither should you. Bluesky is Bluesky run by the Bluesky team. The team and what they're building should be your only concern.

If Jack is the majority shareholder (I don't know if he is, just using this as an example), they have to do what he says.

Twitter has a CEO now, but the majority shareholder is Musk. She cannot do anything without his permission. Were I CEO I would remove that childish poop emoji auto-responder but I don't think she has that kind of authority. Facebook has a board of directors, but Zuck is the majority shareholder, so they have to do whatever he wants, so they spent time and money on the metaverse when a normal corporation might have said let's not.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by sweetjuly »

Zetice wrote: post #112
julietteeb wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Author here, I don’t use ChatGPT to write any of my posts.

I give you this feedback with respect and to help you become a better writer, because I believe you are capable of substantially more: This was not a high quality piece of writing. It doesn’t appear as if you spent any time at all learning about the topic, and you did not express yourself well, even when trying to articulate your ignorant points. If English is not your first language, I totally understand and applaud…

I give you this feedback with respect and to help you become a better internet commenter, because I believe you are capable of substantially more:

This is an incredibly rude and insulting way to give feedback. There is no reading of this that's kind or charitable, don't tell people their work is the "product of a child" and how you "can't overstate how poorly constructed [their] post is".

But, thankfully, you can learn to improve! Try to avoid insulting the author and their work. Instead, just try to offer actionable suggestions on how to improve.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by Zetice »

sweetjuly wrote: post #117
Zetice wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I give you this feedback with respect and to help you become a better writer, because I believe you are capable of substantially more: This was not a high quality piece of writing. It doesn’t appear as if you spent any time at all learning about the topic, and you did not express yourself well, even when trying to articulate your ignorant points. If English is not your first language, I totally understand and applaud…

I give you this feedback with respect and to help you become a better internet commenter, because I believe you are capable of substantially more: This is an incredibly rude and insulting way to give feedback. There is no reading of this that's kind or charitable, don't tell people their work is the "product of a child" and how you "can't overstate how poorly constructed [their] post is". But, thankfully, you can lea…

Let’s hope they’re better at taking feedback than you are on their behalf.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by klabb3 »

rchaud wrote: post #99
klabb3 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well we may learn the hard way. Lots and lots of good old regular people have quit Facebook and stay off Twitter and many other engagement-optimized platforms. These companies have a poor reputation, for good reason. It’s just not 2010 anymore, and the cracks are starting to show. If a new platform such as bluesky, activitypub or Nostr becomes dominant, people will certainly point to this era in particular as a precu…

But seeing as it is no longer 2010, what is the public's appetite for yet another twitter-like app?

Right, I probably won’t use bluesky as I never used Twitter. The format was always fomo- and hot-take oriented to me, so I stayed away. I don’t understand why people are desperate to remake that particular product.

Re: A Look at Bluesky

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Post by skybrian »

Kye wrote: post #109
mbStavola wrote: post #3

I'm not 100% sold on ATProto, but the fact that my identity and content can live separately from an instance is an insanely huge advantage over ActivityPub. I do not want to run my own Mastodon server (though I do) but I also don't want to use someone else's server and put my account at the mercy of the operator. It's maddening to think about how I could build a following or amass a ton of quality posts, only for the…

You still depend on someone to run another server in the event your PDS (Personal Data Server) goes away. It's just a different, bigger server (Big Graph Service) where the people who run it are even less knowable than those who run your PDS. Moving data only works in this case if you've thought to attach your DID to a domain you control, and the server you move to connects to the BGS server your data lives on. It's…

We could compare with git. Sure, you could publish a git repo anywhere, but most people will choose Github, Gitlab, or another large git hosting service. The reliability of these services matters and we’re fortunate that they’ve been quite good so far. People don’t usually use custom domain names when publishing git repos, though I suppose you could?

With Mastodon you can download your data any time, but you can’t actually upload it anywhere else. There is forwarding, but only for follower subscriptions, with the cooperation of both servers. It’s quite limited. There are brownouts from servers getting overloaded and also due to fairly frequent policy disputes. It does let you do more things without making them public, though, and that’s important to many people.

The blogging model where you have actually independent websites, links, and RSS feeds seems better from a decentralization standpoint, but it’s not popular due to the difficulty of getting people to subscribe to your blog.

That’s why we comment here, right? You could post a comment to your blog, but who would read it? Replies are important.

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