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Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by mort96 »

PretzelPirate wrote: post #93
mort96 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a thing some people seem to be unable to understand, and it's that... coming after bad things can be good, actually. The thing about the "first they came" poem is that attacking the socialists, trade unionists and jews is already bad. There's a reason it doesn't start with "first they came for the murderers, but I didn't say anything because I wasn't a murderer". The poem urges us to stand up against injustic…

> There's a thing some people seem to be unable to understand, and it's that... coming after bad things can be good, actually. Going after bad things can be good, but going after a developer who wants to be tipped in crypto isn't a bad thing. Apple being able to take down an app because it allows the user to monetarily reward a developer in the way the dev chooses *is* a bad thing.

If you wanna argue that going after cryptocurrency is a bad thing, make that argument. Don't just use the poem to make a lazy slippery slope argument.

And apparently, this isn't even about cryptocurrency but Apple's normal 30% tax. If that's true, then it means that the lazy slippery slope argument is even less applicable.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by vkou »

scrps wrote: post #108
vkou wrote: post #71

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And? A bad actor that has power by fiat over you doesn't need a slippery slope to do bad things, they can just go and do them. Case in point - Reddit's enshittification. Spez has decided that Reddit will now be a walled garden, and all you can do is take it or leave it. Slippery slope arguments provide exactly zero guidance for as to when it is reasonable to stop going down the slope, which is what makes them utterly…

The point where you don't go down the slope is when you recognize it and you don't know what is at the end of it's long tail. The guidance is built in.

"We can't have police, this will lead to a slippery slope that will lead to a 1984 police state."

"We can't not have police, this will lead to a slippery slope that will lead to Mad Max anarchy and roaming bands of killers and warlords riding in really awesome-looking semis."

That's the entire problem with the slippery slope! Two entirely conflicting, equally compelling arguments can be construed with it, starting from the same simple question - "Should there be police? Yes/No?"

Just because the bottom of a slippery slope looks awful, or can't be seen isn't a reason to do, or not do something - because I can construct a million awful slippery slopes for any action you do, or not do.

A slippery slope argument eliminates all nuance from a question, and provides no guidance for answering it well. That's exactly what makes it a logical fallacy.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by lockhouse »

cypress66 wrote: post #3

I can't believe the EU, which has fined Microsoft because of having IE as the default browser, is OK with Apple having a total walled garden in iOS. Which by the way only has one "browser", because other browsers are forced to use the safari engine.

If only someone like Samsung or Google would make a phone that allows side loading to meet your needs. Too bad Apple is the only option here.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by tinus_hn »

evandale wrote: post #52
mchannon wrote: post #27

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Hilarious. Countries aren’t allowed to invade each other. Also, crime is not allowed.

I don't know why this is flagged. Saying "US companies are not allowed to buy EU" is lower quality IMO. Not being allowed to do things has never stopped people from doing things and it isn't adding to the discussion. At least this comment is pointing out how ridiculous it is to say something isn't allowed as a justification for why it will never happen.

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Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by sigmar »

newaccount74 wrote: post #107
chongli wrote: post #81

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So can't people who want to offer an in-app "tip the developer" feature simply comply (without paying Apple's commission) by selling a token physical good such as a button, sticker, t-shirt, or other merchandise?

It sounds like that should be allowed. But I think that fulfilling button, stickers and t-shirts orders is pretty expensive, and only makes sense if people give big tips (eg. if someone tips 5€, there's not going to be much left after you pay someone to mail them a sticker).

"thank you for your button order. We expect to ship this order about 1 week after the heat death of the universe."

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by lockhouse »

SpaghettiCthulu wrote: post #96
zimzam wrote: post #68

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This is missing context: Microsoft made their browser free at a time when Netscape cost $49. Apple giving away Safari for free at a time when all major web browsers are free is different. Sure, Apple might benefit from being the default but Spotify and Pandora, which compete with Apple Music, are both still in Apple's app store.

The context you're missing is that Apple doesn't allow any third-party browser engines on iOS for "security".

Why the quotes? Apps bundling their own outdated web views using old versions of Chromium or WebKit are a legitimate security threat. By forcing every web view to use the fully up to date system bundled one, you automatically eliminate dozens of security vulnerabilities.

Nothing forces anyone to buy an iPhone. They don’t even have a majority of market share. In the late 90s-2000s, Microsoft actually held a monopoly on PCs. Smartphones on the other hand are a very healthy duopoly with diversity and cross pollination of ideas.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by sMarsIntruder »

Pulcinella wrote: post #46
rcoder wrote: post #42

Choose one: 1. Full-on libre: speech, financial flows, technical architecture, etc. (i.e., basically the entire raison d'être for Nostr) -or- 2. Live and work inside the walled garden of Apple + Google's app stores You really can't have it both ways.

I’m happy with the one that doesn’t allow crypto crap. Also free speech is a practical impossibility. Standard email is a free as it gets and it turns out nobody wants that because if you have completely free speech your inbox gets spammed into oblivion. Everyone draws the line somewhere.

You’re saying that Bitcoin is “crypto crap”, or just talking in general? And regarding the “free speech” topic, you’re saying that’s ok not finding new censorship resistant solution because essentially censorship is ok?

Just asking to better understand the underlying knowledge on the topic before putting myself into this valley of tears.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by scrps »

vkou wrote: post #112
scrps wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point where you don't go down the slope is when you recognize it and you don't know what is at the end of it's long tail. The guidance is built in.

" We can't have police , this will lead to a slippery slope that will lead to a 1984 police state." " We can't not have police , this will lead to a slippery slope that will lead to Mad Max anarchy and roaming bands of killers and warlords riding in really awesome-looking semis." That's the entire problem with the slippery slope! Two entirely conflicting, equally compelling arguments can be construed with it, startin…

"We can't have police, this will lead to a slippery slope that will lead to a 1984 police state."

Have you looked at the state of the bloody world? I measure outputs not methods.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by lockhouse »

kibwen wrote: post #49
zerohp wrote: post #43

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Three companies have wall gardens for game consoles and nobody cares about that. Those three companies own the entire console market. There's no alternative. Why doesn't the EU do something about that? Why is Apple an exception?

This comment makes it sound like Apple shouldn't be forced to open up their hardware, but the better conclusion is that game consoles should be forced to open up their hardware. This is (allegedly) Hacker News, we should be all for giving people more control over the devices they (allegedly) own.

Just don’t buy closed devices if that’s what you want. There’s no shortage of open devices available to buy.

Complaining about iPhones and game consoles being closed is like complaining that your Honda Civic isn’t good at off-roading and won’t tow your horse trailer.

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