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Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by helij »

illiac786 wrote: post #102
helij wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notifications on Slack can be turned off.

Another mental burden to remember to turn off slack notification, and notifications of this other Collab tool whenever I do not want to be interrupted. Also, at least for me, it's not black and white when I need quiet time. I might jot down something, brings another idea and suddenly I have a new idea to fix a problem which has been nagging at me for months and off I go for 10 hours. I won't think about turning off n…

Why not make it a default state?

My default is all notifications off. I understand that for some people that's not really an option but for most it certainly is.

Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by hopsthedog »

Zetice wrote: post #109
esarbe wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That these points are somehow relevant for "unit cohesion" is entirely yours to demonstrate. But after these ad hominem attacks I'm not actually in a mood to discuss this any further with you. If you cannot make a cogent argument and have to descend to such derogatory accusations, I'll rather leave this conversation. Have fun in the mud.

I need to demonstrate that building emotional safety for a team involves unit cohesion? No, I don't. Like I said, if you can't see how those two concepts connect, there's nothing here to discuss. Also for anything I wrote to be an ad hominem, I would have needed to call you a name and also claim that, because you are that name, you are therefore wrong. I did neither, so no ad hominem occurred. There is nothing here f…

No, they’re right — literally every one of your arguments and assertions are predicated on fallacies

You sound upset that your points aren’t being acknowledged, but you’re not presenting them clearly and you’re incredibly defensive when responding to feedback

You can feel vaguely insulted all you want, but that’s got nothing to do with what I wrote

Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by Zetice »

hopsthedog wrote: post #112
Zetice wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I need to demonstrate that building emotional safety for a team involves unit cohesion? No, I don't. Like I said, if you can't see how those two concepts connect, there's nothing here to discuss. Also for anything I wrote to be an ad hominem, I would have needed to call you a name and also claim that, because you are that name, you are therefore wrong. I did neither, so no ad hominem occurred. There is nothing here f…

No, they’re right — literally every one of your arguments and assertions are predicated on fallacies You sound upset that your points aren’t being acknowledged, but you’re not presenting them clearly and you’re incredibly defensive when responding to feedback You can feel vaguely insulted all you want, but that’s got nothing to do with what I wrote

I'm not upset?

Maybe take that rate limit a bit more seriously, consider why it was applied...

Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by throw10920 »

smcleod wrote: post #5

I’ve been seeing companies that have tried to get people to commute to/from and “work” from their office (any number of days) starting to lose the good people - the ones you want to keep around. I’ve kept in contact with a couple of them and they’re now 100% remote, one is working for a local company the other an international and they seem genuinely so much happier.

> starting to lose the good people - the ones you want to keep around.

Right, because telework is only beneficial for the good developers, because most outside of the top 20%/10%/5% won't be able to compete with low-cost international labor enabled by telework.

Telework is quite clearly a way to cut down on the middle class while enriching a small elite class of workers, and comments like this show those who think that they're in that class.

Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by l3mure »

throw10920 wrote: post #114
smcleod wrote: post #5

I’ve been seeing companies that have tried to get people to commute to/from and “work” from their office (any number of days) starting to lose the good people - the ones you want to keep around. I’ve kept in contact with a couple of them and they’re now 100% remote, one is working for a local company the other an international and they seem genuinely so much happier.

> starting to lose the good people - the ones you want to keep around. Right, because telework is only beneficial for the good developers, because most outside of the top 20%/10%/5% won't be able to compete with low-cost international labor enabled by telework. Telework is quite clearly a way to cut down on the middle class while enriching a small elite class of workers, and comments like this show those who think th…

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Re: Return to Office Enters the Desperation Phase

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Post by throw10920 »

l3mure wrote: post #115
throw10920 wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> starting to lose the good people - the ones you want to keep around. Right, because telework is only beneficial for the good developers, because most outside of the top 20%/10%/5% won't be able to compete with low-cost international labor enabled by telework. Telework is quite clearly a way to cut down on the middle class while enriching a small elite class of workers, and comments like this show those who think th…

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My comment is clearly related to the parent comment - they're both obviously and unambiguously about telework and its ramifications. To claim that "it's a generic political tangent" is completely absurd.

I will admit that it was more political than I was aware of and is appropriate for HN, and for that I apologize to later readers - it's too late for me to edit it, and so I'll just have to live with it.

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