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Re: Mental Liquidity

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The best way to test your "mental liquidity" is to think about some hypotheses that are outside the "Overton window" or even outright taboo. "What if ***** were true? Surely it can't be true. If it were, that would be terrible." That's motivated reasoning. Remember that the truth of any hypothesis is not influenced by how much you want it to be true, or false. Some hypotheses are deeply uncomfortable, but you should…

Better: "What if were not true?"

Don't jump to new (wrong) conclusions, break out of your mental prison of conclusions.

Re: Mental Liquidity

#112

Mental flexibility would be a better term but of course finance people rarely perceive much outside their own bubble.

I disagree. Liquidity implies the frame of fluid dynamics, just like data liquidity. Bringing physics to science is as useful in the mind as it is in software.

The author has a degree in economics and you think he's talking about fluid dynamics? lol

Re: Mental Liquidity

#113

> It might sound crazy, but I think a good rule of thumb is that your strongest convictions have the highest chance of being wrong or incomplete, if only because they are the hardest beliefs to challenge, update, and abandon when necessary. I strongly disagree with this, unless we are only talking about beliefs that are about facts of the universe. For example, my strongest belief is that all people have an equal rig…

>my strongest belief is that all people have an equal right to exist and pursue their own purpose

Everyone who says this naturally excludes pedophiles, nazis, or any other "undesirables" in their given society, whoever is deemed to be socially unacceptable in the current moral framework.

Re: Mental Liquidity

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I think about these questions very often, but I don't feel like going on a long rant about it from a philosophical perspective. I will instead give an anecdote:

I think from my teens to my early 20s my political stance changed dramatically, and at any one point in time I would think that whatever I held to be true I would continue to in the future. But what always changed my belief system was not encountering some new piece of information that changed my idea or made me "update my priors" (in the crude Bayesian system, a most despicable philosophy of our era). It was always something that radically changed how it was that I understood the world around me, something that made my way of thinking about things shift so dramatically that I had to abandon my old ideas. I think everyone should read Marx, Nietzsche, and Freud for that reason, even if you think they are heinous and evil, because they radically question the logic and order of society and knowledge, and their writings are deeply disturbing to many for that reason.

What changes people's perspectives is generally what people want to avoid (to the author's point). And the more you want to avoid something or "prove it wrong," oftentimes the more it changes the way you think about the world.

Re: Mental Liquidity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> reject what would challenge your beliefs and would make them weaker. Most unresolved disagreements I know of are because the groups disagree on some unprovable underlying assumption. Switching positions on it doesn't make the beliefs stronger or weaker Being able to believe something and stick to it, regardless of challenges from competing interests or forms of coercion: that's more valuable in practice than being…

Binary people are funny. Everything is always 1 or 0, nothing is ever undefined and the idea to have different levels of certainty never occurs to them. It is a rather offensive way to portray the world. All the questions, all the puzzles, all the mystery, everything has been answered and further investigation frowned upon. They would have to again defend their chosen "truth", they would have to question everything!

> Binary people are funny. Everything is always 1 or 0, nothing is ever undefined and the idea to have different levels of certainty never occurs to them.

Not what I was conveying. There's a place for nuance, but from my experience in practice, being able to be decisive is more useful than contemplating and questioning. Not to say I avoid the latter (what are we doing right now?) or that it isn't useful, but the times at which it's really needed are few and far between

Re: Mental Liquidity

#116

I just finished the Einstein biography by Walter I. and found Einsteins stubbornness quite entertaining. He knew about this trait, accepted it as an effect of ageing and even was making jokes about it. He simply disliked some facts about quantum m. and allowed himself to pursue a rather fruitless endeavour for many years. He knew that this kind of stubbornness would kill the career of a younger scientist but he could…

A bit tangential, but, is the biography worth reading? I've enjoyed other Walter I books in the past, fwiw.

Re: Mental Liquidity

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post #116

I just finished the Einstein biography by Walter I. and found Einsteins stubbornness quite entertaining. He knew about this trait, accepted it as an effect of ageing and even was making jokes about it. He simply disliked some facts about quantum m. and allowed himself to pursue a rather fruitless endeavour for many years. He knew that this kind of stubbornness would kill the career of a younger scientist but he could…

A bit tangential, but, is the biography worth reading? I've enjoyed other Walter I books in the past, fwiw.

Absolutely- it's exceptionally well written and a pleasure to read.

Re: Mental Liquidity

#118

> It might sound crazy, but I think a good rule of thumb is that your strongest convictions have the highest chance of being wrong or incomplete, if only because they are the hardest beliefs to challenge, update, and abandon when necessary. I strongly disagree with this, unless we are only talking about beliefs that are about facts of the universe. For example, my strongest belief is that all people have an equal rig…

>my strongest belief is that all people have an equal right to exist and pursue their own purpose Everyone who says this naturally excludes pedophiles, nazis, or any other "undesirables" in their given society, whoever is deemed to be socially unacceptable in the current moral framework.

>Everyone who says this naturally excludes pedophiles, nazis, or any other "undesirables" in their given society, whoever is deemed to be socially unacceptable in the current moral framework.

I get your point, but I disagree.

I won't say (because it isn't true) that "my strongest belief is that all people have an equal right to exist and pursue their own purpose."

However, as you point out there are those who are "deemed to be socially unacceptable in the current moral framework." I agree that subjective standards have no place in the law -- anywhere.

I do believe that all sentient beings have agency. But in a free, open society, such agency needs to be constrained in order to promote social cohesion.

That said, we shouldn't attempt to restrict what someone believes. Rather, we should restrict the actions of others to infringe on the rights of others within a society.

To use your examples, there's nothing "wrong", per se, with being a "pedophile" (that is, a person who is attracted to/sexually desires pre-pubescent children), but actually abusing children to satisfy those desires infringes on the rights of those children and should be (and in most places already is) restricted/criminalized.

As far as "nazis" are concerned, again holding beliefs in accord with nazi-ism/white supremacy isn't "wrong", but taking action in support of such beliefs may well be wrong (e.g., shooting up a church full of African-Americans or a synagogue full of Jews, etc.) when it infringes on the rights of others.

To put a fine point on this, there's nothing inherently wrong/evil/bad about believing that sex with four year-olds or killing jews and people of color is right and good. Personally, I find such beliefs to be repugnant, but that doesn't give me (and shouldn't give the government either) the right to restrict those people from holding/sharing such beliefs.

At the same time, should someone act on those beliefs (e.g., abusing children, killing Jews or blacks, etc.), the government should absolutely at least attempt to stop (and/or detain/incarcerate) folks who are actually infringing on the rights of others.

Re: Mental Liquidity

#119

I think about these questions very often, but I don't feel like going on a long rant about it from a philosophical perspective. I will instead give an anecdote: I think from my teens to my early 20s my political stance changed dramatically, and at any one point in time I would think that whatever I held to be true I would continue to in the future. But what always changed my belief system was not encountering some ne…

Interesting. May I ask why you consider Bayesian updates a “despicable philosophy” ?

> It was always something that radically changed how it was that I understood the world around me, something that made my way of thinking about things shift so dramatically that I had to abandon my old ideas.

If you have examples, I would much appreciate it, although I do not mean to pry.

Re: Mental Liquidity

#120

I think about these questions very often, but I don't feel like going on a long rant about it from a philosophical perspective. I will instead give an anecdote: I think from my teens to my early 20s my political stance changed dramatically, and at any one point in time I would think that whatever I held to be true I would continue to in the future. But what always changed my belief system was not encountering some ne…

Interesting. May I ask why you consider Bayesian updates a “despicable philosophy” ? > It was always something that radically changed how it was that I understood the world around me, something that made my way of thinking about things shift so dramatically that I had to abandon my old ideas. If you have examples, I would much appreciate it, although I do not mean to pry.

>May I ask why you consider Bayesian updates a “despicable philosophy”?

For the reason I said in that quote: Bayesian updates require upholding the same structure and considering things in networks of pre-established probabilities. This is very useful for say sportsbetting, or the weather, but in ones day to day life, especially in political circumstances, things often happen that are completely unpredictable because the socially normative prediction algorithms are always set to re-enforce the normative operations of society, making any radical change inconceivably impossible.

>If you have examples, I would much appreciate it, although I do not mean to pry.

I moved towards the Left because it seemed to me that the basis of so called "reasonable" ideologies like libertarianism and general laissez-fare market conditions always held within them notions of "fairness" and that people would "get what they deserved." It seemed to me that this is language more appropriate for disciplining a child, than ordering our society. In a sense, what was conceived of as "rational" by those who supported the systems of power was revealed to me to be nothing more than ideology which justified that power.

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