Earlier quoted context omitted.
At 16:55 thru 17:15? Where he manually accelerates the car and blocks the intersection?
https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=999 16:40 to 17:12
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Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
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Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#112Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#113Many people are saying Tesla FSD is far more advanced, and I've seen videos of A Tesla driving around LA for 2 hours completely autonomously so I agree Tesla FSD is the world leader by far and blows what Mercedes has built out of the water. However Mercedes are taking liability whilst their system is in use which implies Tesla takes no liability whilst their system is in use. I'm surprised Tesla is scared to take leg…
Mercedes could also ship their own L2 AutoPilot without having to take legal responsibility. Their customers would love it as much as Tesla drivers love theirs. The thing is, they just aren’t capable of it.
Mercedes has been shipping their L2 system since 2013, at least in Europe.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
Took me less than a few minutes, to find in the same channel, FSD failing and the human having to intervene. Here it is at the proper time and for a video uploaded 10 hours ago... - https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=995 And even worst failures...looking at all these I simply do not believe the videos posted are not edited or a selection of a success out of many failed ones. https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=1252 https://yo…
I'm not sure exactly your point. The Tesla does sometimes require intervention, that's why it's Level 2. But it's still attempting to drive in significantly more complicated situations than this Drive Pilot thing. Does Drive Pilot stop at stoplights or make turns? I don't think so. Regarding deceptive editing, plenty of people post their Teslas doing squirrely things and them intervening. So it's not like a secret th…
Look at is happening at this point, another additional failure mode, not seen in the links I posted before
https://youtu.be/WowhH_Xry9s?t=272
See how is confusing the speed limit for cars and trucks, and doing a sudden break. More precisely, at 5:12.
So if you have car driving behind you, not expecting the sudden break, this could cause an accident. They are joking with people lives.
Ethics matter in Software Engineering.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#115We’ve actually had nearly self driving vehicles for over a century. They’re called trains. We should invest in some. The navigation problem gets way easier
Driverless trains are actually a pretty new thing, being on tracks is not as set/forget as people assume.
If you mean "transportation where I'm not driving" then sure but taxis also fit that bill.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
Took me less than a few minutes, to find in the same channel, FSD failing and the human having to intervene. Here it is at the proper time and for a video uploaded 10 hours ago... - https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=995 And even worst failures...looking at all these I simply do not believe the videos posted are not edited or a selection of a success out of many failed ones. https://youtu.be/KG4yABOlNjk?t=1252 https://yo…
I'm not sure exactly your point. The Tesla does sometimes require intervention, that's why it's Level 2. But it's still attempting to drive in significantly more complicated situations than this Drive Pilot thing. Does Drive Pilot stop at stoplights or make turns? I don't think so. Regarding deceptive editing, plenty of people post their Teslas doing squirrely things and them intervening. So it's not like a secret th…
Attempting and failing is clearly, clearly worse for the general public and in my opinion Tesla should be strictly liable.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The main thing is that Mercedes Benz will take liability for anything that goes wrong. But the system as a whole is far less capable than Tesla FSD. "It's less capable except for the minor fact that if we > someone, it's >". You know, that minor factor called "life or death". > ... only when driving under 40 mph on highways. So it is pretty useless. If Waymo/Tesla/whatever would do this, they'd be the darlings of t…
> If Waymo/Tesla/whatever would do this, they'd be the darlings of the internet. How exactly do you think Waymo works that they wouldn't take responsibility?
Waymo takes responsibility for all accidents and Tesla is able to drive autonomously at 40km/h on highways, but neither does both. Mercedes does. That's –I believe– the point that parent is making.
Now, I'd argue that Waymo has probably somewhat solved highways already as they're much simpler than city driving, they're just not offering it to the public yet.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Systems that are required to have ~100% performance within an operational design domain generally have more than 0% performance beyond that domain. For example, Tesla FSD seems like a pretty good highway cruise control, but it can be dangerously deployed in city driving too. Of course this is a little difficult to argue about since AFAIK Tesla has never defined its ODD and their lead autopilot software guy said in hi…
I maintain that the Mercedes system is “capable of” what it can functionally be deployed to achieve by a user. That’s what “capable of” means. If Mercedes wants to try its hand at a universal L2 system, I wish them the best. This system is in truth not capable of L2 or L3 autonomous driving under almost all typical driving conditions. There is a small geofenced and speed constrained window under which the car will la…
I’m not sure what you’re even trying to argue here. You disagree with SAE’s designations? Interesting trivia I guess.
Anyway I’m sure Tesla will say it’s Level 3 whenever it’s Level 3. Would’ve thought that was a while back when they marketed, sold, and rolled out “Full Self Driving” on public roads.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#119Seems like a mistaken title. The limitations are so significant, it can't be called autonomous driving.
Re: Mercedes beats Tesla to autonomous driving in California
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is there evidence for this?
https://insideevs.com/news/575160/mercedes-accepts-legal-res... "once a driver turns on Drive Pilot, they are "no longer legally liable for the car's operation until it disengages." The publication goes so far as to say that a driver could actually pay zero attention to the road ahead, play on their mobile phones, and even watch a movie. If the car were to crash, Mercedes would be 100 percent responsible."
Yes, but is there any evidence this is actually happening? Not that they announced it might a year ago.