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Google cuts office space in Bay Area by more than a million square feet

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Re: Google cuts office space in Bay Area by more than a million square feet

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They're getting rid of real estate yet force people to work from the office at least n days a week. Why not embrace remote and get rid of even more real estate.

Company I work for did this. Our CFO said he never wants to deal with real estate again. I will follow this man to the depths of hell and back.

What happens when he does something you don't like? Perhaps everyone back in the office? Or camera on all day while you work?

Re: Google cuts office space in Bay Area by more than a million square feet

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Google has turned into the "new IBM" for years now. I've worked with Google engineers and managers from different "generations". It's shocking how the newer engineers are just your average consultancy engineer with leet code practice. They have little abstracting capabilities and would be pissed-off if you use some tool/workflow that's not "The Google Way™" (and that includes things like Github for code reviews (inst…

I worked at a startup with just 2 other engineers. They hired a guy from Google with a decade less experience than me. When I arrived I was taking my time to understand the culture, company, needs, etc. before making any suggestions. One example, they did Agile with sprints and I think KANBAN works better. But, I didn’t see it as an important issue to spend time on. So the Google guy comes in and from day 1 began mak…

I have experienced a similar situation at a startup. I was an early employee with many years of experience, and we were shipping functionality without any major issues. After an investment round, we hired several new developers.

The new developers managed to convince the leadership that we needed "better" processes, and other technologies. The result of this was rewriting the system into more micro services than developers in different languages and multiple frameworks. The new processes ensured that teams didn't talk together because each team should be independent and effectively blocked any input. The startup failed hard and barely survived even after major cuts

Re: Google cuts office space in Bay Area by more than a million square feet

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It _is_ objectively true that WFH is better for the environment. But oh well, so far wildfires are contained to just wildfire season, so not a big deal :))))))

WFH may be better for the environment but that is a different thing than "the best way of working". I've been remote for 14 years, I love it, but I've worked with plenty of people who didn't and went back to an office.

Define "best" I suppose - best for corporate efficiency or best for human thriving? But yeah fair can't argue that it relates to efficiency.

Re: Google cuts office space in Bay Area by more than a million square feet

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post #68

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Google has turned into the "new IBM" for years now. I've worked with Google engineers and managers from different "generations". It's shocking how the newer engineers are just your average consultancy engineer with leet code practice. They have little abstracting capabilities and would be pissed-off if you use some tool/workflow that's not "The Google Way™" (and that includes things like Github for code reviews (inst…

I worked at a startup with just 2 other engineers. They hired a guy from Google with a decade less experience than me. When I arrived I was taking my time to understand the culture, company, needs, etc. before making any suggestions. One example, they did Agile with sprints and I think KANBAN works better. But, I didn’t see it as an important issue to spend time on. So the Google guy comes in and from day 1 began mak…

The worker wasn’t the problem, the boss’s imposed hierarchy of command was

Re: Google cuts office space in Bay Area by more than a million square feet

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post #35

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TBF it's "two people share a desk on alternate days", and as the other commenter said, only in limited areas for now. How anyone thought that was a good idea, I have no idea.

If I am doing "2 days in office, 3 remote" for my employees, why would I want to pay twice as much so desks can sit vacant more than half the time?

Because the desk-sharing vibes are, as the kids wisely say, cursed. No personalization of decorations or monitors, can't work flexibly, etc. etc. etc.

Re: Google cuts office space in Bay Area by more than a million square feet

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Google looked at how sailors share space on a sub and were like "yeah, that's the ticket". Hot-desking is the worst way to be in-office, on top of the worst way of working which is in-office. What happened to being a forward thinking and innovative company? These "geniuses" can't use their superior big brains just barely hiding under those infantilizing propeller hats to figure out a way to make remote work effective…

>What happened to being a forward thinking and innovative company? Google went public is what happened. You literally cannot make good decisions when you have to base everything around what will make the most profit for the shareholders this quarter.

Yes. I love working for a company with no shareholders. We actually get time to look at the problem.

Re: Google cuts office space in Bay Area by more than a million square feet

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> The inability to tap on someone's shoulder reduces group productivity, regardless of what those who don't want to be interrupted think. If you know a person does not like being interrupted don't be selfish and write a message. Why does your productivity matter more than mine?

Because 10 minutes of your time might save hours of someone else’s. Why is your productivity more important than your entire teams? I feel like people don’t treat achieving business goals as part of their job in dev. I’ve never had people treat this as a problem across other job roles.

Constant interruptions are the biggest enemy of top performers. Everyone should have the right to at least a few hours of freedom for interruption except in the case of genuine emergency. There is a problem in the organization if people cannot work for a few hours on their own without asking for help or if there is too much unwritten organizational knowledge so that people can't help themselves.

Of course people should make themselves available and not be jerks but I strongly believe that a culture that encourages unrestricted interruptions will achieve worse business outcomes in the long run.

Re: Google cuts office space in Bay Area by more than a million square feet

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> on top of the worst way of working which is in-office. It's funny how both sides of this debate present their opinions as fact

Hotdesk is the biggest bullshit ever. Can you imagine arriving at your office having to think, will I be able to seat next to team? Having to do conference call because no meeting room available just for the poor guy who cannot be there by 8? Best part, people consider their desks as they own it, I have seen people moving stuff just because some dared to seat there before they arrive with management approval.

Did you note the portion of the comment I specifically quoted? Because nowhere does it discuss hot desks.
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