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Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by lukas099 »

Archelaos wrote: post #55
wouldbecouldbe wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha yeah it's harder for me to see now also. Two of the leaves of the lotus are darker those are his eyes, the white flower & female buddha are his tongue. The white skin of people are his hairs. When sober it feels farfetched, but it's all much clearer on a substance :)

It is easier to spot when the details become blurred. So either zoom out of the image or look at your screen from afar. Because I am shortsighted, I am also able to see it easily when I remove my glasses and move back somewhat from the screen. I get the best result when I am just a bit outside the range were the image is sharp. Then I still have something like a 3-D effect from the potest. -- So no substance needed t…

I see it better when my head is really close to the screen.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by ilyt »

thumbuddy wrote: post #65
codeflo wrote: post #51

All the people in this thread who decoded it used long exposure or faster playback. Using the latter, for me, it starts to become readable at 2.5x and is essentially a clear static image at 4x. (I had to download the video and play it back using VLC.) Which for me, makes this claim a bit absurd: > At a theoretical level, this confirmation is significant because it is the first clear demonstration of a real perceptual…

You know, according to people who have done buckets of psychedelics, there's an awful lot more to the psychedelic experience than 2.5-4x slower processing speed. I recall reading of numerous people who found they could collectively slow down a wall clock to the point were it didn't move any longer, and people who have experienced what they refer to as "eternity", "multiple life times", "thousands of years", etc. Also…

Well I can stop a fast spinning (to the point of blurry) tire with my mind into a still image of the thread, all I need to do is to be tired enough to have micro-conciousness lapses... doesn't make that into some new perception state

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by motohagiography »

codeflo wrote: post #51

All the people in this thread who decoded it used long exposure or faster playback. Using the latter, for me, it starts to become readable at 2.5x and is essentially a clear static image at 4x. (I had to download the video and play it back using VLC.) Which for me, makes this claim a bit absurd: > At a theoretical level, this confirmation is significant because it is the first clear demonstration of a real perceptual…

This is consistent with the idea that the geometric patterns of hallucinogenic drugs are just feedback artifacts in an analog system of your senses, and by imparing its 'clock' signal chemically, you get periodic noise whose geometry is proportional to the signalling frequency and its failures. No higher dimensions, just maybe a lower, impaired, fractal dimension.

There are still theraputic uses for this impairment, and definitely a lot of recreational ones that allow you to discover things about yourself like any other testing or resistance, but hallucinogens are at best biohacking via chemical glitching, not spiritual gateways.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by rhaps0dy »

ilyt wrote: post #110
codeflo wrote: post #51

All the people in this thread who decoded it used long exposure or faster playback. Using the latter, for me, it starts to become readable at 2.5x and is essentially a clear static image at 4x. (I had to download the video and play it back using VLC.) Which for me, makes this claim a bit absurd: > At a theoretical level, this confirmation is significant because it is the first clear demonstration of a real perceptual…

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I think you need to accelerate it more / aren't high enough. If you persist the white dots, you'll see letters.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by red75prime »

jcims wrote: post #78
codeflo wrote: post #51

All the people in this thread who decoded it used long exposure or faster playback. Using the latter, for me, it starts to become readable at 2.5x and is essentially a clear static image at 4x. (I had to download the video and play it back using VLC.) Which for me, makes this claim a bit absurd: > At a theoretical level, this confirmation is significant because it is the first clear demonstration of a real perceptual…

It's opening up a perceptual time domain that is not available in a sober state. That's not 'slower processing speed'.

I quickly looked up research and, yeah, while LSD does impair many cognitive functions, reaction time seems to be unaffected.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by lukas099 »

dist-epoch wrote: post #47

> At a theoretical level, this confirmation is significant because it is the first clear demonstration of a real perceptual computational advantage of psychedelic states of consciousness. This is a pretty strong claim, considering that while psychedelic states of consciousness do allow you to see these messages, they also have a lot of other side effects. I'm pretty sure you can do the reverse too, create a message w…

It's not claiming that there's a net advantage.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by ilyt »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #45
pbj1968 wrote: post #28

None of this is real. Don’t fuck with your brain, pal, it ain’t worth it.

Do you not suffer from how painfully boring reality and the default mode of consciousness are? How can one stand decades of stagnation without the desire to escape?

If I won lottery today I'd have enough hobbies and interests to fill a lifetime.

There is so many interesting things to do (let alone watch) to last multiple lifetimes.

> How can one stand decades of stagnation without the desire to escape?

I guess by not being totally unimaginative and boring ? There is no nice way to say it.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by s1artibartfast »

tuyiown wrote: post #97
sneak wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a subjective interpretation, and I say that even as someone who believes in objective reality. There's no telling what time perception is "correct" or "real". It is actually within the realm of possibility that they did experience an eternity-scale (but sub-infinite, natch) amount of experiences.

> There's no telling what time perception is "correct" or "real". Perception is always, always false, the same way that our internal reality is imperfect. The only way to trust perception is to go through repeatable experiment and see that results conforms to prediction, eg. science. Science is the only and sole way to determine our shared reality, anything else is literally lucky heuristics, including the behavior o…

I feel like the statement only holds true if you are trying to learn about shared reality.

Perception Isn't false, it's subjective. It's real in its own domain, but that domain may not generalize or overlap with a shared physical reality or perceptions made by other people.

Re: Messages that can only be understood under the influence of psychedelics

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Post by ilyt »

lrvick wrote: post #88
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you not suffer from how painfully boring reality and the default mode of consciousness are? How can one stand decades of stagnation without the desire to escape?

To stimulate my brain I just learn new skills and solve puzzles constantly. I am pretty happy so there is no need to escape. I admit I am -curious- to try psychedelics but in no hurry. Plenty of things to entertain me in this life.

Seriously, my current motivation to work is basically to afford a place where I can indulge in more of my hobbies and skills. I can't imagine "running out of things to do" (aside from "I am so tired after work I can't be arsed" I guess) anytime soon
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