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World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by aeonik »

_Microft wrote: post #35
aeonik wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused, what do you mean there's not going to be a future for them? No doubt there's going to be some challenges, but I thought all that carbon was in the atmosphere and oceans before it was sequestered by plants and alagae. I thought the major issue was the speed of change, but we really don't know what life is thing to do in response. According to this article, during the Cambrian, the earth was 10C hotter th…

OK, so this is fine ? (No, I do not believe that)

I didn't say that fyi, your statement here does not reflect my feelings.

The headline doesn't either, because Earth has been very hot in the past.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by pizzafeelsright »

edgefield wrote: post #6
PheonixPharts wrote: post #5

It's certainly a strange time to be alive. I was explaining to my child my work in AI, showing him images of himself as a character from his DnD campaign and at the same time am gently introducing him to the increasingly dire state of our climate. For parents of my generation "the talk" is not about sex, it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children. It feels like I am very literally li…

Well said. I have two small kiddos and difficult to know how to engage with them on topics like AI and climate change. As a related experience, I picked up my son from a birthday party and the birthday consisted of a rented massive trailer with big screen TVs and 7-8 different video game consoles for couch coop gaming. All powered by a generator. Very cool and very frightening all at the same time.

I would love to discuss these topics in detail in person with someone like you. I am completely unconcerned about climate change or AI yet very concerned about how my child will interact with your child when their concerns are vastly different.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by redprince »

alfor wrote: post #97
submeta wrote: post #62

I find myself losing hope for humanity when I observe a significant portion of society in Germany, for instance, either voting for or intending to vote for a party known as the 'Alternative für Deutschland'. This party is primarily defined by what it opposes. Its supporters are often frustrated and resistant to evidence that their meat consumption contributes to climate change, or that fossil fuels exacerbate this gl…

It’s that the green movement is completely off the rails. Remember that they caused the stopping of nuclear power plant. Climate change is not a pressing issue, with the rise of renewable we will clean up our act way before it cause serious issues. With regard to conservative voice (as a former liberal) I can tell you it’s the left voice that doesn’t understand the conservatives and the value they bring. Changing thi…

> Remember that they caused the stopping of nuclear power plant.

In Germany they didn't. The plan to exit from nuclear power was enacted by a conservative coalition of CDU/FDP in 2011.

Funnily enough the year before they had dismantled the original exit plan from the year 2000 that was enacted by a coalition of SPD and the Green Party. But Fukushima happened and the old conservative position of "nuclear power good" suddenly became very, very unpopular in Germany.

> Climate change is not a pressing issue, with the rise of renewable we will clean up our act way before it cause serious issues.

That's not the scientific consensus on the issue and could not be further from the truth. We're already experiencing serious consequences from a changing climate. When we don't change now this will escalate to catastrophic consequences.

> it’s the left voice that doesn’t understand the conservatives and the value they bring.

Oh the left likely understands those values pretty well. They just happen to consider the promise of "everything will remain as it was" not so valuable when there is a high price to pay for refusing to change and adapt to a changing world.

> Changing things imply destruction, and the desire to change everything fast has

We would not have to move fast if the mostly conservative governments running Germany in the past 30 years would have used their time to gradually enact sufficient change.

> consequences, thus a return to traditions has a lot of merits.

There really never was a traditional world view or a way to live where everything was okay for everyone. But I'm not surprised you'd say that. Looking backwards and not forward is the core value of conservatism.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

skrebbel wrote: post #90
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vanuatu might disagree. In Vanuatu, sea level rise is a very real concept with a number of communities already being inundated during high tides (2016) ref: https://www.spatialsource.com.au/sea-level-rise-mapping-reac...

Yeah but we went from “oh no we’re all going to die and we have to prepare our kids for that eventuality” to “oh no Vanuatu is sinking” in just a few HN comments. In that light I’d like to underline that in the “this is fine” meme, things are actually on fire. It’s an apt comparison.

> Vanuatu is sinking

This implies that Vanuatu's absolute elevation is decreasing. I can find no reference for this. If this decrease is true, please supply your sources.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by peteradio »

adrianN wrote: post #44
aeonik wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused, what do you mean there's not going to be a future for them? No doubt there's going to be some challenges, but I thought all that carbon was in the atmosphere and oceans before it was sequestered by plants and alagae. I thought the major issue was the speed of change, but we really don't know what life is thing to do in response. According to this article, during the Cambrian, the earth was 10C hotter th…

When all that carbon was in the atmosphere, dinosaurs weren't even around yet.

That's not true is it? There was much more CO2 during dinosaur times than today.

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/09/20/you-asked-dinos...

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by ctoth »

submeta wrote: post #103
alfor wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s that the green movement is completely off the rails. Remember that they caused the stopping of nuclear power plant. Climate change is not a pressing issue, with the rise of renewable we will clean up our act way before it cause serious issues. With regard to conservative voice (as a former liberal) I can tell you it’s the left voice that doesn’t understand the conservatives and the value they bring. Changing thi…

I understand your views and concerns. It's true that change, especially rapid ones, can have unexpected consequences. Traditional values and methods can often provide stability and a sense of continuity, which are important. However, I'd like to provide some points for your consideration. 1. *The Green Movement and Nuclear Power:* While it's true that some green advocates have opposed nuclear power, it's not accurate…

Please don't use ChatGPT for this, it's transparent and kind of ick.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

alfor wrote: post #97
submeta wrote: post #62

I find myself losing hope for humanity when I observe a significant portion of society in Germany, for instance, either voting for or intending to vote for a party known as the 'Alternative für Deutschland'. This party is primarily defined by what it opposes. Its supporters are often frustrated and resistant to evidence that their meat consumption contributes to climate change, or that fossil fuels exacerbate this gl…

It’s that the green movement is completely off the rails. Remember that they caused the stopping of nuclear power plant. Climate change is not a pressing issue, with the rise of renewable we will clean up our act way before it cause serious issues. With regard to conservative voice (as a former liberal) I can tell you it’s the left voice that doesn’t understand the conservatives and the value they bring. Changing thi…

> With regard to conservative voice (as a former liberal) I can tell you it’s the left voice that doesn’t understand the conservatives and the value they bring.

As a recovering conservative (of 25 adult years) I can offer that any deafness is not only mutual, one side is currently bullhorning it as a virtue. As far as bolstering our energy supply, it isn't at all clear how revenge-based, hostility-flavored culture wars achieve this.

My observation is that one side has conjured up a boogey man from the worst possible perceptions of the other and now models all of it's own behavior on it. I can not see how this advances one worthwhile goal.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by chatgpt_491 »

submeta wrote: post #102
okeuro49 wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Engaging in rational debates with these individuals proves challenging, as they often dismiss any evidence presented as a sign that you are 'woke', deluded, or part of a clandestine group intent on their destruction. I would debate you, by pointing out a lot of "green" policies disproportionately affect the working class, including AfD voters. > frustrated and resistant to evidence that their meat consumption contr…

I appreciate your thoughts and it's clear that you're engaged in this critical issue. Let me take a moment to address your objections and share a different perspective on some of the points you've raised. 1. *Impact of Human Activities:* A preponderance of scientific evidence supports the conclusion that human activities are causing climate change. A meta-study by Cook et al. in 2013 revealed a 97% consensus among pu…

Can you ask it to provide references as well

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by acdha »

hattmall wrote: post #100
flangola7 wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but climate disaster isn't a cult. There's the crazy guy who thinks Zeus is going to strike us all down and then there's the oceanographer out there with actual thermometers and log books saying hey this water is getting really damn warm. Will be the end of life on earth? Not at all. Will it be the total extinction of humans? Probably not. Will it be far more war, starvation, death, and human suffering than we ha…

There is absolute nothing to suggest catastrophic or even rapid climate change. Yes we can detect human activity that is changing the planet and will have impacts on the climate. Preaching that it will result in any more suffering than the current or a previous state of the world is completely faith based without evidence.

Every credible scientist who studies this says the opposite, that climate change will increase the frequency and magnitude of events impacting millions of people. Yes, things like natural disasters, famines, or wars caused by resource competition aren’t new but we’ve been seeing them intensified for at least a decade and there’s no reason to believe that trend will reverse.

Re: World’s oceans at record high temperature for 80 consecutive days

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Post by acdha »

Freestyler_3 wrote: post #9
PheonixPharts wrote: post #5

It's certainly a strange time to be alive. I was explaining to my child my work in AI, showing him images of himself as a character from his DnD campaign and at the same time am gently introducing him to the increasingly dire state of our climate. For parents of my generation "the talk" is not about sex, it's about the reality that we might not have a future to offer our children. It feels like I am very literally li…

Kids are the key to shaping the future, but kids is also the reason we are here. Generations upon generations of children being produced, who with each generation "produce" more CO2. Our planet needs strong leadership that dictates what can and cannot be done. Instead we have leaders making up solutions that are not solutions, but are presented as such.

The problem is less the children than the fact that lifestyle changes made things enormously more CO2 intensive. India has far more people and far lower CO2 emissions because they didn’t change their lifestyle to involve huge increases in beef consumption, daily individual travel in massive gas powered vehicles, and heavy use of climate control systems. A significant chunk of those changes and the CO2 emitted happened after we knew that global warming was happening, too, so it really comes back to the ability of rich people to buy their way into being allowed to ignore externalities.
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