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At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by whiskers »

martin_a wrote: post #76
bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #51

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Not coming back? But they clearly are? Pimoroni was shipping Pi 4Bs last week. It has nothing to do with "burning through the charitable donation money". The Pi is sold by a (profitable, AFAIK) wholly-owned subsidiary, the Raspberry Pi Trading Company. Manufacturing them does not absorb Foundation money at all. They have been supply-constrained on components. It's that simple, surely. Eben Upton has said it again and…

> Pimoroni was shipping Pi 4Bs last week. How many? Four? Six? Did they go to scalpers as usual?

We shipped thousands last week and we didn't ship them to scalpers: https://shop.pimoroni.com/pages/ordering-restrictions-for-ra...

Plenty more will come in short order, the past couple of years have been a real mess on supply chains - it's been hard on all of us.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by whiskers »

Roark66 wrote: post #42

>"...should began this July..." Seriously? Should? How. Many. Times. Have we heard it already? In the timeless words of George W Bush Junior "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... Wait, I can't be fooled again!" No way I'm going to get hopeful here and then pi locator will show one pi zero 2 W in entire Europe, in the one shop in Belgium the owner of refuses to ship out of his country... How many cool open sour…

"Those Pis are not coming back."

Yes, they are.

Disclaimer: CEO of Pimoroni - an approved Raspberry Pi reseller.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by whiskers »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #72
sshine wrote: post #58

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> vendors who built products around rpi were still able to operate > We worked on a project in 2021 where we needed around 150 and had no problem sourcing We had minor sourcing difficulties ordering much fewer for production (10-15).

That's because Eben was telling everyone it was about "protecting jobs" when it was really just about selling to the largest companies. All the cottage industry folks who needed Rpis here and there? They could get fucked as far as Eben was concerned. Basically: greed (lower overhead from larger orders) and more greed (chasing large companies, I guess in the hopes of securing fat, profitable long term contracts, or ma…

As a counter point to this we, Pimoroni, supported a few smaller businesses that relied on Raspberry Pi during the shortages with modest numbers in direct coordination with Raspberry Pi.

These were not "the largest companies" by any metric. They were often orders of just tens or hundreds of units. It was absolutely about trying to keep commercial users who had locked into the Pi ecosystem viable during the supply chain disruption.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by magicalhippo »

derefr wrote: post #63
magicalhippo wrote: post #49

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Get a NUC or mini-ITX system and a fanless case[1][2]? [1]: https://www.akasa.co.uk/update.php?tpl=list%2FCHASSIS+POWER.... [2]: https://www.akasa.co.uk/update.php?tpl=product/product.detai...

Where do the drives live? Drives, as in at least two, but more likely 5, if you're taking fault-tolerance seriously.

Since you want silent it'll be SSD's. One internally, you can get external USB housings for the others. Shouldn't be too shabby if using USB 3.1 or better.

If you want HDDs then a fan is a non-issue, the HDDs will drown out the fans.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by t43562 »

dingledork69 wrote: post #77
t43562 wrote: post #24

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The reason hobbyists had shortages was because they allocated supply to businesses to help them stay afloat. Possibly your old boss was not right.

I thought the raspberry pi was meant to be an educational diy system? Prioritizing businesses over hobbyists seems to go against that.

Lots of small businesses sprang up that used it - perhaps some of them were even started by hobbyists. If they didn't get their supply it would have cause a loss of jobs and hardship.

The Pi Foundation decided to help those people keep their jobs during COVID etc which seems to be the clear moral choice.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by bemusedthrow75 »

joezydeco wrote: post #102
chimpoftheages wrote: post #93

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Sure, I own a few pine64 devices and an RPI4 too. I would like the raspberry PI community to synchronize on a manufacturer like rockchip for a while. I simply never see a useful broadcom chip in the wild that isn't in a RPI and the RPIs omit features I want.

Broadcom doesn't put chips "in the wild", which leads you to the paradox that is RPI. It was a scrap chip that Upton made into a cheap educational computer, the rest of you ran off with it as a supercheap COTS computing module and now nobody can figure out how to ship their products without it. Or, most distinctly, nobody wants to believe that the RPI isn't subsidized and all SoCs are this cheap. Broadcom doesn't dea…

Are you saying that you think Broadcom are still subsidising the Pi? Even the Zero 2W, which has a custom chip designed by Raspberry Pi?

I mean, as I understand it, they ship about half a million CM4 units alone every four to six weeks, and they sell Pi hardware to businesses like Citrix: why would Broadcom need to/be willing to subsidise chips at that scale?

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by ReptileMan »

kytazo wrote: post #4

Not sure if rpis are that relevant as of now when there are so many other, usually more performant and overall compelling offers in the same form factor and upstream support to a certain degree.

List 3 please. That is without a snark. I needed couple of pi-s for some personal project and it was EUR 100 or more per piece. Up to the point where cheap android rooted phone looked like a better option.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by cdcarter »

bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #57
beebeepka wrote: post #7

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No need. The CEO said (in an interview with the "explaining computers" YouTube channel) 2023 will be about fixing supply of existing models. It's reasonable to expect the 5 to arrive in 2024 at the earliest. Personally, I wouldn't expect super fast m2 ports and whatnot. Frankly, at this point I am ready to spend a bit more and get a proper 5800u mini pc or something. Waiting for AMD's Zen 4 APUs to hit the market. Th…

I really wish they would decide not to do it at all. Put all the high-performance work into the CM units of different specifications. Make (or encourage the market to continue to make) mainboards that take those units. Maybe certify a couple of them for the Foundation's use. And then focus on making microcontroller-level chips at different performance levels, up to an "alternative home computer" device. Something sma…

I have always been slightly annoyed that the RP2040 didn't feature a RISC-V core to being with, with a 2nd gen that includes the privilege mode specification. RP2040 as it stands is nearly capable of being "learned completely" and providing something like an OS, but having a hardware MMU really makes a different experience. Of course, the ARM architecture has an MMU spec too, but I've got a soft spot for RISC-V.

Re: At last, the Raspberry Pi shortage is finally coming to an end

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Post by sys_64738 »

Roark66 wrote: post #42

>"...should began this July..." Seriously? Should? How. Many. Times. Have we heard it already? In the timeless words of George W Bush Junior "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice... Wait, I can't be fooled again!" No way I'm going to get hopeful here and then pi locator will show one pi zero 2 W in entire Europe, in the one shop in Belgium the owner of refuses to ship out of his country... How many cool open sour…

I never knew GWB used Raspberry Pis.
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