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Japan’s government will not enforce copyrights on data used in AI training

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Post by EvanAnderson »

tiahura wrote: post #108
EvanAnderson wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Training a model isn’t making a copy for your own use, it’s not making a copy at all. It’s converting the original media into a statistical aggregate combined with a lot of other stuff. Devil’s advocate: That sounds like a derivative work, which would be infringement.

converting the original media into a statistical aggregate Devil's advocate: That sounds transformative, which wouldn't be infringement.

Good point. I’d imagine we’ll see arguments in both directions, given how grey the line is between purely derivative and transformative.

I think it’s fair to say that generative AI trained on copyrighted content will be an unmitigated win for IP attorneys all around.

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Post by tiahura »

scottiebarnes wrote: post #12

So if you train an audio model on say, Eminem's voice, then write some songs and have it perform them...Would this output be legal to publish?

Although no longer a copyright violation it would still be misappropriation of likeness, and a violation of his right to publicity.

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Post by nl »

> With the effective implementation of AI, it could potentially boost the nation’s GDP by 50% or more in a short time.

Err.. No, it won't.

That's a ridiculous, laughable statement.

  Japan 2022 GDP: $4.1 Trillion
  
  Amazon 2022 Revenue: $513B
  Google 2022 Revenue: $279B
  Microsoft 2022 Revenue: $198B
So even growing a brand new Amazon, Google and Microsoft in "a short period" would be insufficient to grow GDP by 50%

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Post by kmod »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #19

I think this should generally be true. The aggregation performed by model training is highly lossy and the model itself is a derived work at worst and is certainly fair use. It may produce stuff that violates copyright, but the way you use or distribute the product of the model that can violate copyright. Making it write code that’s a clone of copyright code or making it make pictures with copy right imagery in it or…

This is the "guns don't kill people, people do" argument. Not saying that that proves things one way or another, just that assigning responsibility is not really a cut and dry question and many people think that it's important to look prior to the final interaction

IANAL but I believe in the US tools that are designed to circumvent copyright are illegal, which makes sense to me inasmuch as one believes that copyright should be protected

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Post by ChatGTP »

Not to be rude but Japan’s government doesn’t exactly do things for obvious or fair reasons. It does things for the benefit large companies.

One reason Japan loves “AI” is because they’re population is diminishing fast and they see real salvation in AI. They’re much prefer to have Japanese robots doing work rather than more open immigration.

Sam Altman flew over to Japan and met the Japanese government and it's almost guaranteed he touted the usual trope that CGPT4 will almost immediately push up the GDP. The Jgov, looking for hope and answers got excited.

I’m more keen to see what modern more progressive places do.

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Post by sour-taste »

I expect llms to be hugely important to Japan for the simple reason that their workforce is dramatically shrinking, and the extremely, erm, red tapiness of their processes. Everything requires a form, and signature from someone, and maybe a second form. Processing all that seems like a good use for ai, but hallucination and accuracy will be critical for them

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Post by ChatGTP »

georgewsinger wrote: post #6

Japan also ranks 3rd (behind the USA & India, with larger populations) in ChatGPT usage: https://www.demandsage.com/chatgpt-statistics/ There's also been discussion of their government using ChatGPT to reduce red tape: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-04-18/japan-gov... It's cool to see Japan and Japanese culture taking techno-optimist stances on AI.

I strongly disagree.

They need to actually address problems. Not throw tools at it.

The problem Japan seems to have is they don’t understand AI and than they don’t understand software, which is they don’t understand a lot of modern tech.

They’ll pay for this mistake just as they paid for being bad at software.

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Post by KinkySumo »

throwaway33381 wrote: post #31
waboremo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sounds like the exact opposite of what the title is claiming.

Yeah. Copyright laws in Japan are extremely strict. I would not be surprised at a complete ban on this. This is just a fluff piece like a lot of ads coming in recently.

How is this an exact opposite of the OP's piece? The two takeaways you can get is:

- As there are no external motives (eg. for profit) held by the AI when analyzing the works it is not a copyright infringement.

- Parsing through whether the data set is legally obtained is not feasible therefore that shouldn't be the limiting factor to further development.

However as the transcript was uploaded last month, things may have changed since then.

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