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Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by rustinator »

bluejekyll wrote: post #13
rustthrow wrote: post #3

> The recent incident with ThePHD’s keynote downgrade was not racially motivated, thankfully, but… if that’s what it looks like from the outside, and any form of official communication is still days or weeks away, does it really make a difference? yes! it does! we can't keep framing everything as race, gender, or orientation related. people have to have basic filters for what the most important issue is in a situatio…

I believe the reason they are saying it doesn’t matter, is that without a clear statement of what happened from the decision makers, people can speculate. One of those things people will speculate on is if this was one of the reasons. The fact that it is also part of the equation means it can’t be outright ignored and so will also need to be addressed. On top of that, this is already an underrepresented group, and re…

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Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by conradludgate »

serial_dev wrote: post #73
mort96 wrote: post #14

> Part of me is very disappointed in the enormous waste of time that is the “crablang” fork, and wishes the people involved could have engaged in a constructive manner instead. Any group who decides to fork Rust probably isn't in a position of power to turn the whole Rust Project and Rust Foundation into something less messy. Without knowing any of the specifics about this "crablang" fork, creating a well-resourced,…

I am surprised how people pretend to be outraged over a fork of an open source language. They are outraged by the fork because having a fork reach thousand stars so quickly made it harder to ignore the reality that people who love the language were fed up with the leadership. Forking is the essence of open source software. Don't like something somebody else is doing with a software? It's open source, so you do it you…

When does it change from time wasting to trolling? I've already seen people use it as a way to troll many rust devs sincs it was first created

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

meindnoch wrote: post #86
d3nj4l wrote: post #8

In a way, I find this entire saga incredibly funny. There is so much hand wringing and pearl clutching at something that is supposedly in the shadows - this cabal of four or five people making decisions - that it makes the entire Rust "community" look juvenile. This is the kind of internecine conflict I should see in Anime discord servers, not about a language whose governance involves multiple major corporations!

>This is the kind of internecine conflict I should see in Anime discord servers Anime/furry culture has a significant overlap with the Rust community as far as I can tell as an outsider. E.g. there was that guy developing a Linux GPU driver for M1 Macs, narrating it with an anime "waifu" avatar and a speech plugin that makes you sound like a little girl from a Japanese cartoon.

The Rust community I’m familiar with is basically like any other group of programming enthusiasts who want to talk about and work with a language.

Whatever is going on in Twitter land and with the drama around conferences and boards is a different world, but they aren’t necessarily one and the same.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by vilunov »

rvz wrote: post #30

This is the reason why we cannot take the Rust community seriously with these tantrums. We have given them enough time to get a grip on this nonsense and instead they are embarrassing themselves with pantomimes like this. I had very high hopes on Rust, but it seems that they have to find another tiny first world issue to complain about and magnify it into a giant nothing. Admittedly, this whole saga is more entertain…

Then some ideas of the post went over your head. Whenever there are people there will be drama, and you wrong when you lump together ordinary contributors and drama queen. A community is not a hivemind.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by 2h »

robin_reala wrote: post #92
meindnoch wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>This is the kind of internecine conflict I should see in Anime discord servers Anime/furry culture has a significant overlap with the Rust community as far as I can tell as an outsider. E.g. there was that guy developing a Linux GPU driver for M1 Macs, narrating it with an anime "waifu" avatar and a speech plugin that makes you sound like a little girl from a Japanese cartoon.

s/guy/woman

uhh:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=LonzMviFCNs

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by FromTheSteppe »

shri_krishna wrote: post #11

> Part of me is very disappointed at ThePrimeagen, the Twitch streamer / YouTuber with whom I used to be friendly, for milking those controversies for every view and sub possible. For riling up the masses, adding fuel to the fire, creating the exact opposite of the climate we need to solve these issues. It is ridiculous that ThePrimeagen has been called out (without whom I wouldn't have taken interest in learning Rus…

And he's being called out for a 3 minutes comment.

I've seen Taliban media with slightly more integrity than rust leadership.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by doctoboggan »

meindnoch wrote: post #103
robin_reala wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

s/guy/woman

Huh? A cursory google search says it's a guy called Hector Marcan. Is this wrong?

I suspect the person you are replying to is thinking of Alyssa Rosenzwig[0] who appears from the outside to be a major contributor to the work, and who's blog posts on the project were followed by the HN crowd.

[0]: https://rosenzweig.io/blog/asahi-gpu-part-7.html

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by Klonoar »

xh-dude wrote: post #54
iknowstuff wrote: post #2

Uh, at this point, just name them? What is this, Hollywood? Where everyone knows what's happening but doesn't say anything until a big scandal occurs and everyone piles on?

Names would be named if that were really the problem. I don’t think it is. The common thread between this and the Foundation trademark drama is that the Project sucks at coordinating and communicating - they have been bigfooters late in the process and not servants earlier on.

I don't think enabling a witch hunt is the right play, but it is worth noting that the longer we go on with people who know what's going on behind the scenes not actually saying anything but overall alluding to it just adds fuel to the overall speculation fire.

Which is really all to say: fuck your concept of a weekend, the Rust ecosystem should've cut a response Friday night or Saturday.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by [deleted] »

paddw wrote: post #61

There is obviously a lot of criticism justly being leveled at the poor quality of governance on Rust thus far, but I think a fair point I haven't seen raised is, what other languages lacking a corporate sponsor as the primary driver of governance have done better? (and why) Python is the main example I can think of after graduating from governance via BDFL, but is there any other new language which has achieved the s…

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