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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by ashtonbaker »

anonporridge wrote: post #90
cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

It's interesting because there used to be a similar cliche about Prius drivers being terrible when they were a new sensation. Maybe there's something about people who are first adopters of "environmentally friendly" cars feeling a sense of moral license, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-licensing , and end up being less conscientious on the road as a result. Or maybe the rest of us just notice these bad drivers mor…

It’s definitely related to the moral license thing in my opinion. As a cyclist there are a lot of bad drivers out there, but I’ve learned to treat every Tesla like I do lifted trucks. I think they feel that they are at the top of the moral hierarchy and forget about pedestrians and cyclists completely.

Not all of them, obviously, but enough.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by theturtletalks »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #69
jacurtis wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether EVs last longer is yet to be seen. The batteries are a huge flaw in their ability to last long term. Replacing the batteries are likely a $10k+ cost, meaning that as cars get older it may not be worth doing. Imagine having a car worth $8k because it is 10 years old and needing to spend $10k on it to update the batteries. Would it make sense? Or would you just buy a car worth $18k instead? People willing to dr…

There are now Tesla's driving around with 300,000 miles on their original battery. You should be fairly confident of getting 200,000 miles out of a Tesla battery, which is about as much as you can expect from any car. You can hope for more, but you can't expect more. If you are really concerned about battery life, get a vehicle with an LFP battery. Those are estimated to have a 750,000 mile life.

That’s not exactly a fair comparison. My car can have 200K miles, but when I fill it up, I still get the same mileage. A worn down battery loses capacity with each charge and I’d be curious to see the milage per charge past a certain amount of cycles.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by pengaru »

soperj wrote: post #96
asdff wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Big fast car with an automatic transmission is a recipe for you getting forced out of your lane by someone in over 5000lbs of metal who thinks their time is more important than considering your life by changing lanes to pass. O-60 entirely silently in 3 seconds, you won't even realize you are going fast enough to kill someone instantly.

They're definitely not silent at 60.

Relatively speaking an EVs 3s 0-60 is ~silent compared to any ICE doing the same 0-60 time.

That level of acceleration generally requires a pretty rowdy ICE with the taps wide open.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by oittaa »

newaccount74 wrote: post #105

Since other car makers are trying to cover the market by diversifying their model lineup, this is hardly surprising. I mean, just take BMW, despite seemingly not taking EVs seriously at first, they already have more different EV models to choose from than Tesla. So even if BMW would overtake Tesla in total EV sales, the Model Y would probably still get to keep the "best selling car" title...

So it's not a true scotsman?

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by dazc »

jackmott42 wrote: post #84
cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

As a cyclist, I haven't noticed anything like that. I suspect some internal bias towards EVs or against Elon or something is making you notice a pattern that isn't there.

It may be just a UK thing but I find Tesla drivers the least aggressive of all expensive car drivers.

If I see a Range Rover, Mercedes, Audi, BMW or any large pick-up in my rear view mirror I expect to be aggressively tailgated and I'm generally correct. This has not happened to me with a Tesla, that I can recall.

Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by jerrysievert »

justrealist wrote: post #108
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #91

For people buying new cars, yeah I guess I understand that being true. America prefers SUVs, but it's an interesting statistic. The Corolla is purchased by those who want an affordable sedan, as well as the affluent who don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla and are putting their money in other things like their home and marketable securities. The Ford F-150 is a vehicle used widely by commerc…

> don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla I truly beg you to talk to an actual Tesla owner to refine your opinions. EVs are practically 0-maintenance machines. Unless you need to change your tires... you just don't think about oil changes or motor belts breaking or engine filters clogging and all the other nonsense that breaks in an ICE car. If you hate Tesla that's a completely valid opinion,…

huh, I read that in a completely different way than you. my brain inserted an Oxford comma:

> don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla

became

> don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car, or a Tesla

since the addition of the article "a" seemed to change the meaning. had it been

> don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or Tesla

it would have conveyed even different meaning to me.

I'm kind of curious what the GP's post actually meant at this point.

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Post by Shekelphile »

asdff wrote: post #97
blindriver wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People said the same thing about the Prius when it was the most popular car.

Except that prius took 10 seconds to go to 60mph and this tesla takes 3. Lead foot + silent car + crazy fast 0-60 = people driving like a GTA game.

There's plenty of people driving like it's GTA in their dog-slow base model nissan altimas and ram 2500s, more BEVs isn't gonna change the fact that a large chunk of society are selfish and antisocial.

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Post by influxmoment »

KerrAvon wrote: post #103
cheeze wrote: post #82

As a cyclist, there isn't any car on the road that scares me more than these. The drivers are worse than aggressive truck drivers. Given that it's the best selling car, maybe it's just that people are generally horrible at driving? At least in my area the drivers of these seem an order of magnitude more clueless than any others.

Yeah, but the spontaneous battery fires really help light the way at night in areas where the streetlights are poor.

Maybe watch less sensational news and go outside more. I wouldn't feel so immune in your combustion car. You know what combustion means? You'd be surprised to know they also combust unexpectedly and on impact

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Post by oittaa »

asdff wrote: post #100
soperj wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're definitely not silent at 60.

https://youtu.be/ZTrfpahATpc?t=82 Seems pretty quiet in the cabin getting to 60 in under 2 seconds with the plaid.

Outside the car the tires make quite a lot noise.
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