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Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Post by realusername »

arepublicadoceu wrote: post #110
realusername wrote: post #108

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Maybe but in the meantime, I can still install Android 12 on a Galaxy S4 and use it everyday whereas the iPhone 5 is now just ewaste.

Galaxy S4 release date: 2013 iPhone 5s release date: 2013 Last official update from galaxy s4: Android 5.0.1 in 2015 [1] Last official update to iPhone 5s: iOS 12.5.7 in 2023 [2] I’m well aware that you’re speaking of custom roms, but insinuating that this is solving ewaste issues is disingenuous at best. No ewaste is fixed by us nerds flashing custom roms through adb incantations in out of support hardware. [1] http…

And despite all of that, I can still use the Galaxy S4 (or even the Galaxy S3 if you really cared, specs are a bit low but it still works) as a daily driver with a modern Android version whereas the iPhone 5 or the iPhone 4 can only end up in the bin, there's nothing to be done about it.

Maybe that's a lesson to learn that we should require open bootloaders and more open systems to reduce ewaste. If Android devices were more opened, this amazing effort to save devices could be even better. As we go forward, more and more older devices will simply be good enough if you could just install software updates onto it.

And as of "nerds", I may point out that the general public doesn't reinstall their windows either and just go to a repair shop.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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brookst wrote: post #109
realusername wrote: post #100

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While we could discuss about that, Apple also blocks or alerts for genuine parts so they can't use that defense either.

It's telling that you see this as a trial. Nobody else does; there is no defense or prosecution or any of that. The reason Apple prompts for genuine parts is to devalue the stolen phone market. If repair shops could put in any old camera, there would be a lot more incentive to sell stolen phones to repair shops, therefore more incentive to steal phones, therefore more stolen phones. Apple's a giant company. I have no…

There's going to be a trial about this so yeah those excuses do matter, that's going to be hard for them to get their point across being so anti-repair during so many years.

For stolen parts, they could lock the parts if the device is locked, that's a solution against theft to resell parts but again, that's not what's being done either. It's becoming pretty hard to justify their bad practices.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Post by circuit10 »

kaba0 wrote: post #106
circuit10 wrote: post #49

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They’re all doing things like this, yes. That doesn’t make Apple any less bad though, it just means we need to fix it everywhere Interestingly Microsoft actually seems to be supporting right to repair but it could be some kind of PR stunt, still though that’s a good step forward

> That doesn’t make Apple any less bad though It literally does - their devices easily reach 8-10 years of active usage, and we are talking about something that is used more than your shoes per day, actively charged-discharged each day, thrown around/fallen down, etc. Like that’s a great lifetime however we look at it, and it might need one or two battery replacements max for that.

When you do need a battery replacement, you should be able to do it through whoever you want, not just Apple

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Post by throwaway290 »

realusername wrote: post #100
throwaway290 wrote: post #97

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It's not about fake iphones. It's about taking a real iphone and swapping a part for non-genuine one that does something you don't expect (or find out)

While we could discuss about that, Apple also blocks or alerts for genuine parts so they can't use that defense either.

Maybe they don't trust their ability to identify a genuine part enough so they alert about any part that did not ship with your phone.

Would I like it that my phone detects tampering and hardware integrity violation and spams me with alerts? Absolutely.

Would I support some way of being able to repair my phone with legal genuine parts though? Totally.

Are those exclusive options? I don't know. Which one I think is more important? I don't know.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Post by throwaway290 »

realusername wrote: post #15
throwaway290 wrote: post #9

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Any technique with makes it impossible to repair or recondition by definition also makes it more difficult to pwn. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35954422 for one example.

That isn't a repaired product but a fake one. You can also buy fake iphones today which are near indistinguishable from the real thing unless you have a deep knowledge into the product, you can have a look on youtube. Preventing repairs did not help them on that aspect.

> That isn't a repaired product but a fake one.

Wrong. It is a genuine piece of hardware but modified. With respect, did you read the linked article?

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Post by kaba0 »

realusername wrote: post #111
arepublicadoceu wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Galaxy S4 release date: 2013 iPhone 5s release date: 2013 Last official update from galaxy s4: Android 5.0.1 in 2015 [1] Last official update to iPhone 5s: iOS 12.5.7 in 2023 [2] I’m well aware that you’re speaking of custom roms, but insinuating that this is solving ewaste issues is disingenuous at best. No ewaste is fixed by us nerds flashing custom roms through adb incantations in out of support hardware. [1] http…

And despite all of that, I can still use the Galaxy S4 (or even the Galaxy S3 if you really cared, specs are a bit low but it still works) as a daily driver with a modern Android version whereas the iPhone 5 or the iPhone 4 can only end up in the bin, there's nothing to be done about it. Maybe that's a lesson to learn that we should require open bootloaders and more open systems to reduce ewaste. If Android devices w…

https://reddit.com/r/Android/comments/13i7gbb/just_saw_someo...

As anecdotal experience, the same age (or even older) iphones are also being used by many.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Post by realusername »

kaba0 wrote: post #116
realusername wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And despite all of that, I can still use the Galaxy S4 (or even the Galaxy S3 if you really cared, specs are a bit low but it still works) as a daily driver with a modern Android version whereas the iPhone 5 or the iPhone 4 can only end up in the bin, there's nothing to be done about it. Maybe that's a lesson to learn that we should require open bootloaders and more open systems to reduce ewaste. If Android devices w…

https://reddit.com/r/Android/comments/13i7gbb/just_saw_someo... As anecdotal experience, the same age (or even older) iphones are also being used by many.

You technical can yes but Iphones of that age are as good as bricks in my opinion though, the browser isn't updated and is terrible and you can't install any normal app anymore.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Post by exabrial »

kaba0 wrote: post #103
exabrial wrote: post #47

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Who cares though? The .00005% of the population that actually faces that threat vector can deal with it. Nobody is sneaking into my house and replacing the faceid middle of the night. This is happening to nobody you know, and nobody they know either. The rest of us just want our $800 paper weight to work again.

Your 800 dollar paper weight can be sold for almost that exactly because Apple guarantees that the hardware can’t be tempered with.

what? That makes no sense.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Post by realusername »

throwaway290 wrote: post #114
realusername wrote: post #100

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While we could discuss about that, Apple also blocks or alerts for genuine parts so they can't use that defense either.

Maybe they don't trust their ability to identify a genuine part enough so they alert about any part that did not ship with your phone. Would I like it that my phone detects tampering and hardware integrity violation and spams me with alerts? Absolutely. Would I support some way of being able to repair my phone with legal genuine parts though? Totally. Are those exclusive options? I don't know. Which one I think is mo…

They already have cryptographic authentication for parts, they know it's a genuine part from a donor board, they just purposely reject it.

> Are those exclusive options? I don't know. Which one I think is more important? I don't know.

First they are indeed not exclusive options, locking parts when the phone is locked is a possible option.

And then we have to think what's the most common for most people, a dropped iPhone on the floor which needs a component change or somebody swapping touchid while you are sleeping. I have my own idea on that.

Re: Planned obsolescence: Apple attacked for the “serialization” of its spare parts

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Post by realusername »

throwaway290 wrote: post #115
realusername wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't a repaired product but a fake one. You can also buy fake iphones today which are near indistinguishable from the real thing unless you have a deep knowledge into the product, you can have a look on youtube. Preventing repairs did not help them on that aspect.

> That isn't a repaired product but a fake one. Wrong. It is a genuine piece of hardware but modified. With respect, did you read the linked article?

I did read the article, no it's not a genuine piece of hardware, they changed the microcontroller.

And by the way, it's also possible to do the same exact thing in an iPhone right now, somebody could totally hook up a microcontroller with a microphone straight to the battery.

If you want to go all the way, you can also replace the whole device straight with a fake iphone and record everything.

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