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Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by sandworm101 »

jeffbee wrote: post #94
sandworm101 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, I looked around and couldn't find an equivalent for Honda motorcycles. Perhaps Honda understands their customers better than we think. Honda seems perfectly willing to build tracking-free products when the customer base cares enough . I have never met any sportbike rider willing to share one iota of ongoing GPS data with anyone.

Well, the motorcycle community is overstocked with privacy lunatics, preppers, gun nuts and other extremists, so this makes sense. Also I can't think of any Honda motorcycle with a GPS aside from the Gold Wing, which stretches the definition of motorcycle in numerous ways. On the other hand every motorcyclist I ride with carries a Garmin inReach, which is the very definition of sharing your GPS with someone.

But the difference with handheld devices is that if Garmin misuses the data, the cheap device is tossed aside. One cannot just abandon a motorcycle as one would a handheld device. The day that Garmin starts handing out speeding tickets is the day that every motorcycle rider smashes their devices.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by _hypx »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #78
livinglist wrote: post #4

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> Many of them won't make the ev transition. What exactly makes u come to this conclusion?

Toyota in particular has wasted a ridiculous amount of time and money on consumer-level hydrogen tech. As a result competitors that focused on battery EVs over the last few years have a decent head start.

The other companies are wasting their time. Battery EVs are a dead end and they will all have to move to hydrogen tech eventually. It is the other companies that are way behind.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by AceyMan »

jeffbee wrote: post #94
sandworm101 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, I looked around and couldn't find an equivalent for Honda motorcycles. Perhaps Honda understands their customers better than we think. Honda seems perfectly willing to build tracking-free products when the customer base cares enough . I have never met any sportbike rider willing to share one iota of ongoing GPS data with anyone.

Well, the motorcycle community is overstocked with privacy lunatics, preppers, gun nuts and other extremists, so this makes sense. Also I can't think of any Honda motorcycle with a GPS aside from the Gold Wing, which stretches the definition of motorcycle in numerous ways. On the other hand every motorcyclist I ride with carries a Garmin inReach, which is the very definition of sharing your GPS with someone.

> privacy lunatics, preppers, gun nuts and other extremists [...]

Being a prepper isn't extremist. (Yes, it's expensive, done right, but not necessarily extremist.)

[disclaimer: I live in Los Angeles]

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by sandworm101 »

AceyMan wrote: post #113
jeffbee wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the motorcycle community is overstocked with privacy lunatics, preppers, gun nuts and other extremists, so this makes sense. Also I can't think of any Honda motorcycle with a GPS aside from the Gold Wing, which stretches the definition of motorcycle in numerous ways. On the other hand every motorcyclist I ride with carries a Garmin inReach, which is the very definition of sharing your GPS with someone.

> privacy lunatics, preppers, gun nuts and other extremists [...] Being a prepper isn't extremist. (Yes, it's expensive , done right, but not necessarily extremist.) [disclaimer: I live in Los Angeles]

A true prepper wouldn't admit their location.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by _hypx »

simonh wrote: post #9
livinglist wrote: post #4

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> Many of them won't make the ev transition. What exactly makes u come to this conclusion?

I think that's a little hyperbolic, but the Japanese are way behind. There was a decent analysis (as always) in the Economist recently. https://www.economist.com/asia/2023/04/16/how-japan-is-losin...

No one needs to bother with that race. It is just a ploy by China to gain marketshare in the car industry. It won't work because it ultimately creates a massive new resource dependency. One that just happens to shift everyone's supply chain to China or Chinese controlled companies. I believe Western companies will eventually walk away from pursuing battery cars, at least in the sense of them being the only solution. it just has too many obvious problem.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by _hypx »

badpun wrote: post #6
zyang wrote: post #2

Japanese auto completely missed the memo on software. Many of them won't make the ev transition. It's hard to imagine what Japanese economy is going to be like once their auto industry is gutted.

> Many of them won't make the ev transition. It's still not clear when (and if) the ev transition will happen. There are many unknowns.

If you mean battery EVs, it very likely won't happen. I would even go as far as saying it cannot happen. They are highly resource dependent and too expensive to make. Hydrogen EVs make significantly more sense once you realize renewable energy is going to be nearly free and "efficiency" is most a distraction.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by mikestew »

sandworm101 wrote: post #114
AceyMan wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> privacy lunatics, preppers, gun nuts and other extremists [...] Being a prepper isn't extremist. (Yes, it's expensive , done right, but not necessarily extremist.) [disclaimer: I live in Los Angeles]

A true prepper wouldn't admit their location.

Neither did AceyMan, I’m guessing.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by LinuxBender »

version_five wrote: post #110
short_sells_poo wrote: post #36

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> Interior images, exterior images, facial geometry, voice recordings, This is an absolutely unbelievable level of privacy intrusion IMO. I 100% support very heavily fining this sort of behavior, otherwise it will continue to proliferate.

Where would the support for fines come from? When government understands these issues at all, they only want more control and restriction. The only thing I can imagine legislators getting upset about is they the car manufacturers are not sharing all the info with government by default. Next steps will be mandating tracking, not fining for it.

Where would the support for fines come from?

Probably when a legislators private graphic videos with an escort or drug dealer or something more interesting gets leaked. Perhaps some government officials data is present in the leak as we speak. It might be harder to spot if not a personally owned vehicle or still cloud registered to a previous owner.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by ambicapter »

thewataccount wrote: post #96
sandworm101 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, I looked around and couldn't find an equivalent for Honda motorcycles. Perhaps Honda understands their customers better than we think. Honda seems perfectly willing to build tracking-free products when the customer base cares enough . I have never met any sportbike rider willing to share one iota of ongoing GPS data with anyone.

> https://www.honda.com/privacy/connected-product-privacy-noti... ~~~ Their's is a lot better, does still include Geolocation, audio recordings, navigation usage, however the usage looks limited to just Honda and the obviously required services: ~~~ > We will not use Geolocation Information for our own marketing purposes or disclose identifiable Geolocation Information with third parties (except our service providers…

What's a service provider in this context? Contracted automotive shops? Police?
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